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Is Obama THAT bad?

TheLastIndependent

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The conservative base portrays Obama as an "Anti-Christ" figure practically. Why is this? I personally don't find Obama to be half as bad as he is portrayed to be.
 
The conservative base portrays Obama as an "Anti-Christ" figure practically. Why is this? I personally don't find Obama to be half as bad as he is portrayed to be.

Jon Stewart made a similar observation, he noted that as Americans get to know the GOP candidates better through the glut of televised debates, more and more are thinking Obama's not that bad!
 
Jon Stewart made a similar observation, he noted that as Americans get to know the GOP candidates better through the glut of televised debates, more and more are thinking Obama's not that bad!

I was honestly losing faith in our president until I started watching the Republicans on stage... I quickly found a way to believe in Obama again.
 
I was honestly losing faith in our president until I started watching the Republicans on stage... I quickly found a way to believe in Obama again.

I don't see what any of the GOP candidates, except Ron Paul, are offering different from the same tax cuts for the rich/excessive military spending/ financial deregulation that we had during the 8 years of Bush.
 
The Right hates him because the Left loves him. And, as far as I can tell... the only reason that the Left loves him anymore is that the Right hates him.

Both reactions are utterly irrational. He's an incompetent President following on the heels of another incompetent President, who inherited a nation in a disastrous state and endeavored with all due diligence to make it worse. There's a limit to how many more years of this bull**** our nation can survive-- pessimistic estimates are less than another full term-- so people are rightfully doing everything possible to get him out of office.

Only problem is, I'm not seeing any indication that they're trying to replace him with anything better.
 
The Right hates him because the Left loves him. And, as far as I can tell... the only reason that the Left loves him anymore is that the Right hates him.

Both reactions are utterly irrational. He's an incompetent President following on the heels of another incompetent President, who inherited a nation in a disastrous state and endeavored with all due diligence to make it worse. There's a limit to how many more years of this bull**** our nation can survive-- pessimistic estimates are less than another full term-- so people are rightfully doing everything possible to get him out of office.

Only problem is, I'm not seeing any indication that they're trying to replace him with anything better.

He's incompetent, but not as a sucker at his job as the right makes him out to be, nor is the anti-Christ.
I would say MB (congrats if you know what MB means) is slightly better than him, after all, he ramped up South Korea's economy immensely, while ****ing up human rights and social policies
 
I would say MB (congrats if you know what MB means) is slightly better than him, after all, he ramped up South Korea's economy immensely, while ****ing up human rights and social policies

People can argue all day whether economic security or human rights are more important, but at the end of the day, if you're making significant improvements in one at the expense of the other, you're still making some kind of progress.

What do you call a leader that sacrifices both?
 
People can argue all day whether economic security or human rights are more important, but at the end of the day, if you're making significant improvements in one at the expense of the other, you're still making some kind of progress.

What do you call a leader that sacrifices both?

Barack Obama
 
"Bush did it first" and "Obama is black, therefore you're a racist" are apparently the only talking points Obama needs to repel attacks from the right. Pathetic.

Largely because the attacks from the right are idiotic and often simply false. They cry out that he's an enemy of religion, that he's a subversive Muslim, that he's a socialist, that he's out to destroy American business. None of these accusations have any basis in reality. So no, there really isn't a need to spend much energy opposing these statements. Reality does that on its own.

As to whether Obama is "that bad". He's not bad at all. He's okay. Not a superhero, not bad at being president. Certainly much better than his predecessor, and not better than the predecessor before that. Obama's policies haven't made anything worse, and obviously haven't magically fixed all of the problems America faces. The eight years of Bush really were that awful and really did plunge America into all kinds of bad places. The work of the past three years have started us on the road to recovery. It will probably take at least as long to fix things as it did to wreck them, probably longer, and the economic problems that the US faces have been building for decades.

Obama has done a good job restoring respect for the United States abroad, done more to defeat Al Qaeda than in the years previous, and held corrupt financial institutions responsible for the damage they've done. Obama has done just fine.

And no, not everyone who opposes Obama is a racist. But plenty who do are.
 
People can argue all day whether economic security or human rights are more important, but at the end of the day, if you're making significant improvements in one at the expense of the other, you're still making some kind of progress.

What do you call a leader that sacrifices both?
Right now, Obama.

Obama is not that bad, he's just way over his head and uninspiring and mediocre at best. It's rather telling that 11% of Democrats think he is the best president in US history.
 
Obama has done a good job restoring respect for the United States abroad, done more to defeat Al Qaeda than in the years previous, and held corrupt financial institutions responsible for the damage they've done. Obama has done just fine.

Bold: Talking point. We still had plenty of respect abroad. The people that didn't respect us then are the same ones that don't respect us now. And kowtowing to other countries is disrespectful to Americans.

Underlined: He's done nothing different than what Bush did. Only difference is that Osama got killed on Obama's watch and not Bush's.

Rest: Now THAT is a laugh. He did the same thing that Bush did and bailed out those corrupt corporations, only with a ton more money.

No, Obama is not the anti-christ, he's not attacking religion, but he is just as incompentent as Bush was.
 
Is Obama THAT bad?
Yes.

  • Obama has the completely wrong way to go about improving healthcare;
  • Obama fuels the fires of racism and class warfare instead of bringing an end to these social conflicts;
  • Obama has embarrassed the country abroad with his apology ture and accepting the Nobel Peace Prize knowing he didn't earn it;
  • Obama does not support private ownership of arms;
  • Obama holds that born children are a punishment, not people.
  • Obama is pro-choice.
  • It's not that Obama is pro-ssm, it's that he doesn't care that half of those SSMs will end in divorce. He's just using people.
 
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The conservative base portrays Obama as an "Anti-Christ" figure practically. Why is this? I personally don't find Obama to be half as bad as he is portrayed to be.
Obama is pretty bad, but certainly not the worst among Democrats or Republicans. What I really dislike about Obama, is
1. He doesn't care about the deficits. That was obvious when he had a supermajority and could have pushed for reforms for spending cuts or revenue increases
2. Obama is quite intolerant. He doesn't respect other views than his own. I noticed that from watching him and Bill Clinton on the daily show, and his actions.
3. Obama promotes class warfare instead of attempting to solve the problems of the US

But compare him to the cronies in Chicago and California who think that any public sector wage rise is acceptable, because they have the right to fight for it, Obama is pretty good. Also, uneducated people who think they are educated annoy me a lot. Don't talk about a topic if you don't know basic facts.
 
Bold: Talking point. We still had plenty of respect abroad. The people that didn't respect us then are the same ones that don't respect us now. And kowtowing to other countries is disrespectful to Americans.

I don't want to comment on Obama in general, but let me say as a person abroad, Obama did restore my respect for America after the Bush years. And many people I know over here feel the same.

That doesn't mean I think everything Obama did and does is good. Actually, I think of him as a lesser evil, not more. And I am deeply disturbed that so many Americans feel diplomatic behavior, which should be a no-brainer, equals "kowtowing" and anything short of breaking chairs over the heads of foreign people is "appeasement". I don't think Obama is "kowtowing", he's just doing what's a matter of course for every leader except certain American politicians.

But you're right that Obama didn't reach the extreme far-left fringe in Europe who hates America anyway. They did so before and continue to do so. But don't think the criticism of Bush was limited to these usual suspects.
 
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The conservative base portrays Obama as an "Anti-Christ" figure practically. Why is this? I personally don't find Obama to be half as bad as he is portrayed to be.
Name any politician, and you can find someone who portrays them as the anti-Christ. Obviously some people feel that way about Obama, but to say that the conservative base portrays him that way is absurd. The conservative base isn't half as bad as you portray them to be.
 
I don't want to comment on Obama in general, but let me say as a person abroad, Obama did restore my respect for America after the Bush years. And many people I know over here feel the same.

That doesn't mean I think everything Obama did and does is good. Actually, I think of him as a lesser evil, not more. And I am deeply disturbed that so many Americans feel diplomatic behavior, which should be a no-brainer, equals "kowtowing" and anything short of breaking chairs over the heads of foreign people is "appeasement". I don't think Obama is "kowtowing", he's just doing what's a matter of course for every leader except certain American politicians.

But you're right that Obama didn't reach the extreme far-left fringe in Europe who hates America anyway. They did so before and continue to do so. But don't think the criticism of Bush was limited to these usual suspects.

Very interesting post, I am alway curious about what the world thinks of us and why. Could you elaborate on exactly what obama did to restore your faith in America and exactly what Bush did to lose it in the first place and it would be informative to know what you thought of America when Clinton was pres, thanks.
 
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