Thread: Is Obama THAT bad?

Originally Posted by iguanaman

I'll ignore the insult and leave you with some"short-sighted and foolish" HISTORIANS critques of GW's disastrous Presidency


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Worst. President. Ever.?By Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine)

Historians don't get the first real release of documents until 20 years has passed. Don't use the Historian label to escape the discipline's reality in that they wait before writing their histories on the President's administration, and denigrate people who make bold claims on the "historical" record long before they can begin to authoritatively analyze such matters. They are acting as intellectuals at this moment, not as historians.

There really is no way to analyze how good or bad a presidency is until decades after the effects have played out. Furthermore, the opinions change with time.

Originally Posted by German guy

Assume racism exists. Is pointing that out "playing the race card"?

Racism definitely exists, and pointing it out isn't playing the race card. Playing the race card is when someone accuses someone else of racism without any evidence. It's extremely common, maybe even more common than racism, and it causes 'the boy who cried wolf' effect. People are so accustomed to false accusations of racism, they tend to automatically disbelieve charges of racism. This causes harm to the victims of racism.

Originally Posted by Fiddytree

Bush was heckled during the State of the Union. Please, it has been incredibly common throughout American history to have an obstinate Congress. Need we remind you of President Andrew Johnson? A lot of presidents had been criticized heavily for cabinet nominees.

Do you honestly believe this historically ridiculous nonsense? Did you expect people to accept it?

Talk about ridiculous...... Andrew Johnson? And why can't you refute that no President has had as many fillibusters or so many blocked nominees? Because it is true

Originally Posted by Jerry

Just as I was merely reacting to Obama's own policies which brought race into his administration.

Originally Posted by Jerry

A moderator in this thread thinks that talking about how the President's policies can be racist, is in itself racism, so I fear we can't explore the topic under threat of being suspended or banned for hate-speech.

Don't dodge....What policies?
Or you could just admit you have made these "policies" up

Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon

If by "my way or the highway" you are referring to Bush's famous "with us or with them" line I don't see the correlation. I do however see it when the reps went to Obama with ideas after he was elected and he basically told them to stfu, because he won.

You can't see where that unyielding attitude is in any way diplomatically unsound?

You'll have to give me something a little more specific than "reps went to Obama with ideas" if you expect a reply to that part. Which "reps", the same ones who watched the Collapse from DC? What "ideas", more Reaganomic voodoo?

Now for your other point about being unpatriotic when you oppose your leaders. All I heard when Bush was pres was it was patriotic to do just that.

I guess we were on opposite sides of the bar, then, because that's not what I heard. Oh, at some point, months after he started that crap, he came to realize the mess he was making and started playing it down. A little late by that time, though, the damage had already been done. Once you drive in a wedge, removing the wedge won't put the log back together.

Now all I hear is if you oppose obama policies you are being partisan, not working together, unpatriotic and even racist.

I haven't heard "unpatriotic" and I won't bother with the last at all. Saying someone is being partisan and uncooperative isn't a bad thing if it's true. You want an excellent example? I'll give you one. It's mid-December and the Senate has hashed out a deal to extend the payroll tax cut for two months, which they give to the House. (This was something both the Dems and Reps in the Senate negotiated.) A day later Boehner says OK. Two days later he does a 180° and says it's not good enough. Five days later the Senate Minority Leader a Republican tells Boehner he needs to accept this and move on. Yeah - when your own party is telling you to take the deal then you know you've gone too far down the road of partisanship and non-cooperation.

More:
John Boehner said flat-out, with no confusion that his #1 Job was to make sure Obama did not get re-elected. That was 6 months ago. That's beyond rhetoric - it's reckless and about as partisan as you can get.

The Super-Committee (deficit reduction) started out with the Dems saying "increase taxes, we won't reduce spending" and the Reps saying, "reduce spending, we won't increase taxes". The Dems came back with one dollar less spending for every dollar in taxes.
Reps: "reduce spending, we won't increase taxes"
Dems: 2:1?
Reps: "reduce spending, we won't increase taxes"
Dems: 4:1?
Reps: "reduce spending, we won't increase taxes"
I'm sorry, at some point it's not negotiating anymore, it's being non-cooperative, and the Republicans have excelled at this in the last year.

Originally Posted by AdamT

Media Matters Revisits Right-Wing Media Prophesies That Obama Is The Antichrist | Media Matters for America

Thank you for providing this link.

Here is the lead statement from your link:

"As attention turns to speculation that May 21, 2011, will be the Biblical day of rapture, Media Matters revisits a litany of fringe right-wing media figures who foretold that President Obama might just be the Antichrist - the latest in a long line of world leaders presaged as "the beast.""

Notice the words..."fringe right-wing media figures". Do you contend that these people constitute the conservative base? I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps you could further defend that contention?

Originally Posted by Mycroft

Thank you for providing this link.

Here is the lead statement from your link:

"As attention turns to speculation that May 21, 2011, will be the Biblical day of rapture, Media Matters revisits a litany of fringe right-wing media figures who foretold that President Obama might just be the Antichrist - the latest in a long line of world leaders presaged as "the beast.""

Notice the words..."fringe right-wing media figures". Do you contend that these people constitute the conservative base? I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps you could further defend that contention?

I would like to clarify that I did not mean my statement literally. Although there were a few that took their dislike for Obama that far, I used it as a hyperbole.

To a liberal leftista Barack is bad as in BADASS. He came into the national spotlight as a virtual unknown, took on Hillary toe to toe and became the nominee and then prez. He put healthcare on the map that no other admin. Has done before. He has tried different things to boost the economy: cash for clunkers, stimilus, solyndra etc. He had the balls to give the kill OSBL even though his VP opposed it. He gave us contraception and continues the fight to raise revenues from the exploiting classes to be used to better America's infrastructure and public sector employment opportunities. He brought the troops home from iraq and has successfully thwarted terrorist attacks on our soil again and again. Repealed. DADT

Is he perfect, no, but has he pushed his agenda to the best of his ability. Yes, I think he has even though I don't agree with him.

Originally Posted by haymarket

I hope that is not it. Jerry - I think it is overly broad and not a bit disingenuous for to take the tact that YOU did NOT bring race into this because of the policies of President Obama even though you brought it up as racist.

To use your excuse - one can then bring race into almost anything with the fall back position that race is a part of America. Is that what you want to do?

Originally Posted by Fruityfact

Don't dodge....What policies?
Or you could just admit you have made these "policies" up

I sincerely apologize, but I don't need more infraction points or a suspension, so I must decline.

All due respect to the mod team and everyone in this thread. Good day