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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just a thought:

    Assume racism exists. Is pointing that out "playing the race card"?

    When racism exists, what is the better approach? Never talking about it, hoping it will go away then? Or addressing it and pointing it out?

    Is it racist to pretend we live in a colorblind society, when that is not the case?
    You seem to assume there is a standard definition of what is racist. This is clearly not the case. Increasingly, with a generation of the self-righteous produce of an American educational system the word 'racism' has been bandied about to the point where it is rendered useless to all but those who tediously use it. It has essentially become an all-inclusive term to designate those-who-do-not-share-my-liberal-views-on-the-subject-of-race.

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    The conservative base portrays Obama as an "Anti-Christ" figure practically. Why is this? I personally don't find Obama to be half as bad as he is portrayed to be.
    One of your mistakes is using the absolute of "the conservative party." That is silly.

    Why would you put such a ridiculous and offensive suggestion in the OP? Hmm...

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I might be the smartest guy in class or the best athlete on the team but that doesn't mean I don't respect the other class geeks or athletes on the field. Bush showed little respect for anyone who opposed him. "My way or the highway" was his motto and it didn't apply just to other countries - many of his blind followers brought that attitude right into the workplace and the bars.

    BTW - I'm old school, too, and I didn't buy that line in the 60's and 70's, either. I'm unpatriotic because I oppose something our leaders are doing??? Funny, I always thought the opposite - that I could speak my mind without fear of recrimination - was what made America great.
    If by "my way or the highway" you are referring to Bush's famous "with us or with them" line I don't see the correlation. I do however see it when the reps went to Obama with ideas after he was elected and he basically told them to stfu, because he won.

    Now for your other point about being unpatriotic when you oppose your leaders. All I heard when Bush was pres was it was patriotic to do just that. Now all I hear is if you oppose obama policies you are being partisan, not working together, unpatriotic and even racist.

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A moderator in this thread thinks that talking about how the President's policies can be racist, is in itself racism, so I fear we can't explore the topic under threat of being suspended or banned for hate-speech.
    I hope that is not it. Jerry - I think it is overly broad and not a bit disingenuous for to take the tact that YOU did NOT bring race into this because of the policies of President Obama even though you brought it up as racist.

    To use your excuse - one can then bring race into almost anything with the fall back position that race is a part of America. Is that what you want to do?
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I don't know which exact incident you are referring to. But as far as I know, bowing is a common gesture of respect in many cultures, just like the handshake is for us. I believe in Japan, you usually bow down when you meet someone. So if you're talking about the mere gesture of bowing, I don't see anything wrong with it, on the contrary.

    If, for example, Obama bowed down when meeting a Japanese official, that's just a nice gesture that means: "See, I know your customs." Denying it is a bit petty, much like a Japanese denying a handshake when meeting a Westener, just because "physically touching someone means losing the face" or something like that.

    But if Obama sold out American interests to some foreign leader who doesn't deserve it, that would be something different, IMO. No matter if he physically bowed or not.
    In Japan and China a bow is considered respect. But its a bit more nuanced than just a bow. A person of lower station would bow deeper than a person of higher station. So a peasant would quite literally put thier face to the floor (a kowtow) if they were to bow before the emperor where as a noble would just have to bend knee and the prince would just have to bow from the waist. If two nobles of equal standing faced each other however they would basically nod thier heads to each other as a sign of respect and a show of equal standing.

    But then on the other hand you have the European style of bowing (with kings and queens), it was all about subservience. While they did have the same system as Japan and China (the kowtow, deep bow, head nod etc etc) the same sense of "respect" just wasn't really there (even though they said it was about respect).

    So while bowing may be about a sign of respect it is also about subservience. There is a reason that there is a saying of "I shall bend knee to no one!".
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just a thought:

    Assume racism exists. Is pointing that out "playing the race card"?

    When racism exists, what is the better approach? Never talking about it, hoping it will go away then? Or addressing it and pointing it out?

    Is it racist to pretend we live in a colorblind society, when that is not the case?

    *confused*
    Racism certainly does exist. And no one is saying that it shouldn't be talked about. The problem here is that people like to cry out racism when there is none in the subject matter. Or they cry racism for a whole segment of a population or party even though only a small minority of that population/party are actually racist. Hence the reason to start saying "playing the race card". It basically means that that person/s claim is idiotic as they are applying it.

    The best example that I could think if is when it comes to illegal immigration. Those that support illegal aliens often call those that oppose illegal aliens coming to the US racists even though those against illegal immigration could really care less about race for the simple fact that illegal aliens are made up of ALL the races.
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    One of your mistakes is using the absolute of "the conservative party." That is silly.

    Why would you put such a ridiculous and offensive suggestion in the OP? Hmm...
    How is it ridiculous and offensive to point out that the conservative base portays Obama to be horrible? It is merely an observation

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Of course not. It's a sad tactic in American politics today to use hyperbole to make a case against the incumbent, and it comes from both parties equally.

    Bush was a poor president, I agree, but the Left vilifying him as the "worst" is poor form and shows a pretty short-sighted view of American Presidents. The Right today is doing the same with Obama. Obviously, I agree with some Obama's policies a little bit more than I agreed with Bush Administration's, but portraying him as "destroying America" is just ridiculous. You can disagree with him strongly, and many do within reasonable terms, but it's a cheap tactic to scare the crap out of ignorant voters with Chicken Little rhetoric just to score votes.

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Obama isn't great but the Gop alternative would be awful


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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    The conservative base portrays Obama as an "Anti-Christ" figure practically. Why is this? I personally don't find Obama to be half as bad as he is portrayed to be.
    While your meaning is intelligent, you use the same hyperbole that you accuse the Right of doing with Obama (again, not an invalid, but somewhat credible complaint).
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