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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just as I was merely reacting to Obama's own policies which brought race into his administration.
    Which is???
    YOU are the one "RACE" mongering
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    PeeWee Herman is probably not the best one to emulate in debate.
    Then you should change your tactics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You brought race into it, I did not.
    Obama brought race into this, I did not. Commenting on his policies is not playing the race card. Pleas insert another quarter and try again.
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Which is???
    YOU are the one "RACE" mongering
    If this line if discussion is race mongering, why do you persue it?

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Just a thought:

    Assume racism exists. Is pointing that out "playing the race card"?

    When racism exists, what is the better approach? Never talking about it, hoping it will go away then? Or addressing it and pointing it out?

    Is it racist to pretend we live in a colorblind society, when that is not the case?

    *confused*
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So when BHO said 'you guys gotta sit in the back' was different?
    Much different. In his analogy "you guys" were the people who got us into our economic mess and "you guys" wanted "the keys back", meaning they wanted to control again. He didn't say "you guys are out of the car" or "you guys aren't riding with us", which - in the same analogy - is what Bush said. Don't you see a difference between those two points of view?
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just a thought: Assume racism exists. Is pointing that out "playing the race card"? When racism exists, what is the better approach? Never talking about it, hoping it will go away then? Or addressing it and pointing it out? Is it racist to pretend we live in a colorblind society, when that is not the case? *confused*
    According to some in this thread, if you point out a car which is speeding, you are therefore also speeding, even if you're not even in a car at all.

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Much different. In his analogy "you guys" were the people who got us into our economic mess and "you guys" wanted "the keys back", meaning they wanted to control again. He didn't say "you guys are out of the car" or "you guys aren't riding with us", which - in the same analogy - is what Bush said. Don't you see a difference between those two points of view?
    Only subtlety. If GWB’s comment was literally, ‘my way or the highway’, implying my way or leave the country your analogy seems relevant. If however his comment was interpreted ‘my way or along for the ride’ it would be quite similar to BHO’s. Do you REALLY think that GWB meant for Americans to go along or leave the country?

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just as I was merely reacting to Obama's own policies which brought race into his administration.
    What policies?

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    What policies?
    A moderator in this thread thinks that talking about how the President's policies can be racist, is in itself racism, so I fear we can't explore the topic under threat of being suspended or banned for hate-speech.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-19-12 at 02:38 PM.

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Only subtlety. If GWB’s comment was literally, ‘my way or the highway’, implying my way or leave the country your analogy seems relevant. If however his comment was interpreted ‘my way or along for the ride’ it would be quite similar to BHO’s. Do you REALLY think that GWB meant for Americans to go along or leave the country?
    He didn't say it that way. "For us or against us" was the actual quote. (Yes, he was talking to our "allies" but many Americans echoed it toward their fellow Americans as well.) "Against us" implies animosity at the very least, a state of ill-will, and at the far extreme, a state of war. Yes, Bush sharply divided the country, there is no doubt at all on that score.

    But if you want to spin it as being the same just a difference of scale then I suppose it is. Pushing someone out of the way gets the same result as shooting them. Both actions result in them not being in front of you.
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