Thread: Is Obama THAT bad?

Originally Posted by kenvin

Clinton was the the honorary first black president.

No, he just bucked the powerful status quo.

Originally Posted by kenvin

It's because he is black.

Post 3 when the race card comes out. Well done!

The Right hates him because the Left loves him. And, as far as I can tell... the only reason that the Left loves him anymore is that the Right hates him.

Both reactions are utterly irrational. He's an incompetent President following on the heels of another incompetent President, who inherited a nation in a disastrous state and endeavored with all due diligence to make it worse. There's a limit to how many more years of this bull**** our nation can survive-- pessimistic estimates are less than another full term-- so people are rightfully doing everything possible to get him out of office.

Only problem is, I'm not seeing any indication that they're trying to replace him with anything better.

Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir

The Right hates him because the Left loves him. And, as far as I can tell... the only reason that the Left loves him anymore is that the Right hates him.

Both reactions are utterly irrational. He's an incompetent President following on the heels of another incompetent President, who inherited a nation in a disastrous state and endeavored with all due diligence to make it worse. There's a limit to how many more years of this bull**** our nation can survive-- pessimistic estimates are less than another full term-- so people are rightfully doing everything possible to get him out of office.

Only problem is, I'm not seeing any indication that they're trying to replace him with anything better.

He's incompetent, but not as a sucker at his job as the right makes him out to be, nor is the anti-Christ.
I would say MB (congrats if you know what MB means) is slightly better than him, after all, he ramped up South Korea's economy immensely, while ****ing up human rights and social policies

Originally Posted by Proud South Korean

I would say MB (congrats if you know what MB means) is slightly better than him, after all, he ramped up South Korea's economy immensely, while ****ing up human rights and social policies

People can argue all day whether economic security or human rights are more important, but at the end of the day, if you're making significant improvements in one at the expense of the other, you're still making some kind of progress.

What do you call a leader that sacrifices both?

Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir

People can argue all day whether economic security or human rights are more important, but at the end of the day, if you're making significant improvements in one at the expense of the other, you're still making some kind of progress.

What do you call a leader that sacrifices both?

Barack Obama

Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza

"Bush did it first" and "Obama is black, therefore you're a racist" are apparently the only talking points Obama needs to repel attacks from the right. Pathetic.

Largely because the attacks from the right are idiotic and often simply false. They cry out that he's an enemy of religion, that he's a subversive Muslim, that he's a socialist, that he's out to destroy American business. None of these accusations have any basis in reality. So no, there really isn't a need to spend much energy opposing these statements. Reality does that on its own.

As to whether Obama is "that bad". He's not bad at all. He's okay. Not a superhero, not bad at being president. Certainly much better than his predecessor, and not better than the predecessor before that. Obama's policies haven't made anything worse, and obviously haven't magically fixed all of the problems America faces. The eight years of Bush really were that awful and really did plunge America into all kinds of bad places. The work of the past three years have started us on the road to recovery. It will probably take at least as long to fix things as it did to wreck them, probably longer, and the economic problems that the US faces have been building for decades.

Obama has done a good job restoring respect for the United States abroad, done more to defeat Al Qaeda than in the years previous, and held corrupt financial institutions responsible for the damage they've done. Obama has done just fine.

And no, not everyone who opposes Obama is a racist. But plenty who do are.

Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir

People can argue all day whether economic security or human rights are more important, but at the end of the day, if you're making significant improvements in one at the expense of the other, you're still making some kind of progress.

What do you call a leader that sacrifices both?

Right now, Obama.

Obama is not that bad, he's just way over his head and uninspiring and mediocre at best. It's rather telling that 11% of Democrats think he is the best president in US history.

Originally Posted by Paschendale

Obama has done a good job restoring respect for the United States abroad, done more to defeat Al Qaeda than in the years previous, and held corrupt financial institutions responsible for the damage they've done. Obama has done just fine.

Bold: Talking point. We still had plenty of respect abroad. The people that didn't respect us then are the same ones that don't respect us now. And kowtowing to other countries is disrespectful to Americans.

Underlined: He's done nothing different than what Bush did. Only difference is that Osama got killed on Obama's watch and not Bush's.

Rest: Now THAT is a laugh. He did the same thing that Bush did and bailed out those corrupt corporations, only with a ton more money.

No, Obama is not the anti-christ, he's not attacking religion, but he is just as incompentent as Bush was.

Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent

Is Obama THAT bad?

Yes.

• Obama has the completely wrong way to go about improving healthcare;
• Obama fuels the fires of racism and class warfare instead of bringing an end to these social conflicts;
• Obama has embarrassed the country abroad with his apology ture and accepting the Nobel Peace Prize knowing he didn't earn it;
• Obama does not support private ownership of arms;
• Obama holds that born children are a punishment, not people.
• Obama is pro-choice.
• It's not that Obama is pro-ssm, it's that he doesn't care that half of those SSMs will end in divorce. He's just using people.