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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    'Progressive' is actually an umbrella term that encompasses the entire 'democratic left' of the political spectrum, and as such it's an inaccurate way of describing one's political views. For example, a libertarian socialist and a social-liberal could both call themselves 'progressives' despite their ideologies having little in common.

    I find 'liberal' (or social-liberal, or modern liberal) to be a perfectly accurate characterization for many people on this forum who call themselves progressives.

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The 'hahahahaha' makes it convincing.

    I'm not sure why people believe they should be taken seriously, when they feel their opinions put them above respecting anyone who does not share them.
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If you weren't faking your lean, I'd bother to discuss it with you.
    How is he faking his lean?

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The 'hahahahaha' makes it convincing.

    I'm not sure why people believe they should be taken seriously, when they feel their opinions put them above respecting anyone who does not share them.
    I dunno about that last part. People who have stupid opinions that cannot be defended shouldn't be respected if they continue to hold refuted beliefs after being shown conclusively that such a belief is wrong.
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

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    Is Obama THAT bad?Knock off the personal crap.
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is the "left-wing fringe"?

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The only goal of business is to make money. Buy it's very nature, a business sees humans as nothing more than another natural resource and a renewable one at that. It does not notice the health of humans, the discomfort if them, or even whether they die as long as there are plenty of replacements to continue business as usual. As long as dead or dying humans are making more money for business than they cost to replace, it's good business to let them die. Indeed, this is already a part of history where many humans have died and many more have become sick from the byproducts of business. Without government to protect humans you have condemned humans to being nothing more than another commodity existing solely to be exploited by business as it sees fit.


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    For historic examples of policies that were not anti-business see: Superfund | US EPA
    This is the way things were in the 1600s, (slaves,etc) and to a lesser extent going into the 21st century..
    It seems as if time progresses faster than some men.
    Business does have responsibility beyond profits...
    And if they were to be more responsible, there would be less need for government.

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Yes, it is.
    Oh, of course.

    How about Ed?

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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    'Progressive' is actually an umbrella term that encompasses the entire 'democratic left' of the political spectrum, and as such it's an inaccurate way of describing one's political views. For example, a libertarian socialist and a social-liberal could both call themselves 'progressives' despite their ideologies having little in common.

    I find 'liberal' (or social-liberal, or modern liberal) to be a perfectly accurate characterization for many people on this forum who call themselves progressives.
    People have a right to identify how they want to identify. We can all take almost any label, analyze it and find it comes up wanting in something or the other.

    I could do that with the label of conservative. One who is a self identified conservative is suppose to value and attempt to preserve what works and not be quick to change which could upset the status quo. That is hard to justify given that five "conservative" Justices of the Supreme Court gve us the Citizens United decision which upset nearly a century of precedent and throws conservative spending laws out the window. Of course, when one ponders the idea that right winger supported by corporate interests believe they stand to benefit from the practical implications of the CU decision, it all becomes clear.

    Libertarians adopt their label based on the word LIBERTY. But if they got their way and government was shrunk and esmaculated in the fashion they advocate, we would sooner or later be in a fascist state where big corporations would fill the power vaccuum and prop up and control their own puppet governments making most liberty a thing of the past. Of course, they deny it, but its there just the same.

    So maybe instead of examining the labels too closely, we should just let folks self indentify as they wish to.
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    Re: Is Obama THAT bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    "Bush did it first" and "Obama is black, therefore you're a racist" are apparently the only talking points Obama needs to repel attacks from the right. Pathetic.
    Indeed.
    I for one have little respect for the "right".
    They are for the wealthy and seem to have little regard for the minorities or the environment, or for woman...or even the average American... The conservatives can raise a trillion dollars in campaign funds and all President Obama has to do with pennies is to point out these things.

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