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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Non-belief does not often have the same deterministic influence over a person's choices and decisions as belief often does. Although it's not dramatically important to me to have a theist president, I would prefer someone who believes that they might have to answer to a higher power and who possess a certain humility in light of that. Other people certainly have even more intense preferences with regards to theism and religion.

    At first glance, it might not make much sense that some theists would care so much, but when you take in account the fact that theism and especially religion are often very influential in how people make decisions, it's more easy to understand.
    Many athiests only don't believe becaues they don't see reason for it - many have and do change their views based on things they experience in tehir lives.

    Likewise: religious people can do the same and let go of their beliefs.

    But in my experience: most religious people are't truly religious - it's a social appearance they're upkeeping, or merely holding onto their upbringing and so on. I've met numerous religoius people who go through all the motions but don't truly believe what they claim to represent. . . I first noticed this when I was still a very firm pentecostal believer many many years ago - we lived in a tight nit religious community and moving down to a church in the south outside of the Pentecostal faith was like stepping into a strange warp in which religious had little meaning. . . racist, prejudice . . . all these things.

    I met so many peole in our first southern church that seemed completely godless - there for looks only. Religions then occured to me to be a fashion that was worn and nothing more than a mere accoutrement.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I wanted to see if religious people would vote for a president who shared all of his views on politics (excepting the religious points of social conservatism) but didn't believe in God.

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    I am a Christian but I would have no problem voting for an atheist as long as they did not threaten religous freedom. One of my best friends is atheist.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    To quote Voltaire, "if God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." If in the afterlife I am not held accountable for my current actions, and I'm in a position of absolute power, what incentive do I have to not abuse it?
    Absolute power to do what? Kill and steal with impunity? We'll lock you up for that. Generally act like a prick? People will shun you for that and opportunities to better your life will be missed. Emotionally abuse the people around you? You'll drive them away.

    You don't need to wait until you die to be held accountable for your actions. That happens every day.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Absolute power to do what? Kill and steal with impunity? We'll lock you up for that. Generally act like a prick? People will shun you for that and opportunities to better your life will be missed. Emotionally abuse the people around you? You'll drive them away.

    You don't need to wait until you die to be held accountable for your actions. That happens every day.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Sexist poll. Why can't it be an atheist woman President?
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Many athiests only don't believe becaues they don't see reason for it - many have and do change their views based on things they experience in tehir lives.

    Likewise: religious people can do the same and let go of their beliefs.
    I never said they couldn't 'let go'. I was explaining why religious people and theists are often more likely to consider belief more important than atheists would consider non-belief.

    But in my experience: most religious people are't truly religious - it's a social appearance they're upkeeping, or merely holding onto their upbringing and so on. I've met numerous religoius people who go through all the motions but don't truly believe what they claim to represent. . . I first noticed this when I was still a very firm pentecostal believer many many years ago - we lived in a tight nit religious community and moving down to a church in the south outside of the Pentecostal faith was like stepping into a strange warp in which religious had little meaning. . . racist, prejudice . . . all these things.

    I met so many peole in our first southern church that seemed completely godless - there for looks only. Religions then occured to me to be a fashion that was worn and nothing more than a mere accoutrement.
    Sure, but a lot of religious people and theists don't feel that way. You asked: If we can get over our religious disbeliefs in favor over the Congressmember or President who might do best in the office then why can't some of you do the same?

    People can, but many don't because their religious beliefs really are, in fact, hugely deterministic in terms of their decisions and behavior. Atheism rarely, if ever, has the same type of influence over people's beliefs. So, your opinion that religion is 'worn' has no effect on the fact that it's influences a lot of people political decisions and behaviors. In many ways, asking many people to 'get over their religious beliefs' in choosing a candidate is almost as impossible as asking them to give up their political beliefs when choosing a candidate.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    S.E. Cupp would make a great president, and she is an athiest, but she understands that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values.
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    Over the next four years the economy will continue to rebound and we will gradually get deficits under control. The real esate market will rebound, unemployment will fall to 6.5% or below, and GDP growth will stand at 3.5 - 4%. We won't be in any wars. And conservatives will still be whining.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

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    Your overstating the ties between Marxism and atheism. Atheism in communist dictatorships comes from a specific type of interpretation; Marxist dialectical materialism. Atheism comes from the political ideaology. Just because a leader was Marxist doesn't create some sort of inherent tie to atheism.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    S.E. Cupp would make a great president, and she is an athiest, but she understands that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values.
    SE Cupp; hot, batsh!t crazy. And probably posing as an atheist. If she is truthful, then she's the least informed atheist of all time.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I never said they couldn't 'let go'. I was explaining why religious people and theists are often more likely to consider belief more important than atheists would consider non-belief.


    Sure, but a lot of religious people and theists don't feel that way. You asked: If we can get over our religious disbeliefs in favor over the Congressmember or President who might do best in the office then why can't some of you do the same?

    People can, but many don't because their religious beliefs really are, in fact, hugely deterministic in terms of their decisions and behavior. Atheism rarely, if ever, has the same type of influence over people's beliefs. So, your opinion that religion is 'worn' has no effect on the fact that it's influences a lot of people political decisions and behaviors. In many ways, asking many people to 'get over their religious beliefs' in choosing a candidate is almost as impossible as asking them to give up their political beliefs when choosing a candidate.
    well - their religoius beliefs are why they won't support an athiest: they're told from day one that being belief-less is godlessness and puts you in league with the devil himself.
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