Thread: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

Originally Posted by X Factor

At 80%? I label you a fanatic. LOL

Incidentally, I think there is, at least, as much evidence of God as there is that man controls the global climate.

Oh, gosh, I don't think man controls the global climate, no where close.
I to have seen so much 'evidence' of God, in Japan, Thailand, etc.

Originally Posted by X Factor

I'm not just comparing it, I'm saying it's the exact same thing. People act on their morals, beliefs, ethics, whatever, all the time. Acting on religious beliefs is no different and no worse than anything else that requires a little faith to believe in, like global warming.

Originally Posted by jamesrage

Contrary to atheist belief religion does not have have to involve the belief in a deity.

Religion requires belief/faith in what one cannot see or prove. How is that comparable to measuring the ocean temp going up 1 degree?

Originally Posted by MadLib

I wanted to see if religious people would vote for a president who shared all of his views on politics (excepting the religious points of social conservatism) but didn't believe in God.

Discuss

Not ever. According to our social contract, all rights come from God. If you don't believe in God, you therefore don't believe in any of those rights, because how could those rights come from someone who doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Fruityfact

... How is that comparable to measuring the ocean temp going up 1 degree?

Let me take on the 'Believers' position on this, because I used to get this all the time.
1) You only made one measurement! How are you sure that it is correct?
2) How do you know absolutely that it's not normal to have the temperature go up one degree.
3) Oh, you made 10,000 measurements, but some were colder, haven't you disproved your theory?
4) You would loose your funding if you didn't find something, so how do I know you're are telling the truth?

The fact that one even has to ask such a question shows the utter failure of the framers of the Constitution to abolish religious persecution. We are not a Christian nation nor a Atheist nation Etc. and its asinine to give the president a personal religious test. It makes just as much sense as only voting for green eyed candidates, since you are green eyed.

Originally Posted by Jerry

Not ever. According to our social contract, all rights come from God. If you don't believe in God, you therefore don't believe in any of those rights, because how could those rights come from someone who doesn't exist.

Well there is this thing called the American Constitution..

Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll

Well there is this thing called the American Constitution..

That's part of the social contract I mentioned...please continue.

Originally Posted by Fruityfact

Religion requires belief/faith in what one cannot see or prove. How is that comparable to measuring the ocean temp going up 1 degree?

It's not the objective measuring of the ocean that's "belief". The belief comes in saying that it was certainly man who caused it.

Originally Posted by X Factor

Exactly, it would depend. If he/she was as crazy antagonistic to religion as I've seen some (I do disagree that it's "most") be here, than no.

And yet being crazy antagonistic to other religions (such as the widespread demonization of Islam, the substantial sect of conservatives who refuse to endorse Romney specifically for his Mormonism, the substantial lack of acceptance of Wicca) and to the non religious is constantly given a pass. The race to be holier than thou is the exact thing we're discussing in threads about Santorum. The whole SSM controversy is entirely one religion trying to dominate everyone else. This birth control argument is the presumption that the religious can dictate policy to the rest of us.

Religion gets a huge amount of special treatment in this country and any resistance to it is labeled "militant atheism".

Originally Posted by Thrilla

would I vote for an atheist?... it's possible, but probably not... it depends on how militant he is about his atheism and how he feels about other peoples religion.
Atheists who are fair and reasonable towards religion are few and far between.

Militant religionism is the bread and butter of the American right. As I said above, any expression of distrust or condemnation of religion is called militant, even if it is a fair and accurate criticism.

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