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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    I'm not what you would probably consider a *religious* person, although I have very reverent personal moral beliefs. If an atheist ran for president, and I believed his moral fiber was strong and true, I would happily vote for him, assuming I thought his policies and political stances were compatible with my own.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you mean a presidential candidate that believe all or mostly what I believe but just didn't believe in God then yes I would vote for him. If he is one of those pricks that mocks religious beliefs,has a problem with ten commandment monuments/plaques and Christmas plays, wants to change Christmas trees and parades to Holiday trees and parades,thinks crosses should be removed from war memorials and sorts of other fanatical atheists nonsense then no I would not vote for him.
    What if he was pro-SSM and thought that evolution should be taught in a science class?

    I don't think it should matter if he mocks religious beliefs but if he goes all PETA on religious people then I'd understand. However not wanting Ten Commandments in a public school is reasonable.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    People use all sorts of things to inform their political policies. Liberals and conservatives both, in a sense, try to "force" their policies onto others who are unwilling. For example, liberals concerned about climate change want to use the force of law to make people conform to what they believe. How is religion any different than that?
    So, you are comparing belief in climate change to belief in religion? You cannot really compare the two...One you can prove/disprove, the other is Religion

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    would I vote for an atheist?... it's possible, but probably not... it depends on how militant he is about his atheism and how he feels about other peoples religion.
    Atheists who are fair and reasonable towards religion are few and far between.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    So, you are comparing belief in climate change to belief in religion? You cannot really compare the two...One you can prove/disprove, the other is Religion
    I'm not just comparing it, I'm saying it's the exact same thing. People act on their morals, beliefs, ethics, whatever, all the time. Acting on religious beliefs is no different and no worse than anything else that requires a little faith to believe in, like global warming.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    So, you are comparing belief in climate change to belief in religion? You cannot really compare the two...One you can prove/disprove, the other is Religion
    Contrary to atheist belief religion does not have have to involve the belief in a deity. Religion is a body of persons adhering to a certain set of beliefs and practices. The belief in man climate change is no different than another religion. Man made global warming fairy tale religious nuts believe that man is causing the climate to change. They believe that people should minimize their carbon footprint, believe that we need cap and trade laws,believe that we should recycle, believe that they should enact all sorts of laws they believe will minimize this man made climate change that they believe in.Some of these man made global warming fairy tale zealots believe that the world will flood as a result of man made global warming. Many of their practices that center around their man made global warming fairy tale religion are recycling,buying energy efficient light bulbs, buying hybrid cars or cars with high gas mileage, buying from local farms,buying organic foods(not sure how that helps the environment since you need more land to grow the same around as regular farming), buying ethanol fuel(not sure hose that helps the environment since you need a lot of land to grow crops for ethanol and creates food shortage),fuel their car up at certain times of the day, push for law makers to make laws based on their man made global warming fairy tale beliefs and many other things.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    ...For example, liberals concerned about climate change want to use the force of law to make people conform to what they believe. How is religion any different than that?
    This post demonstrates yet again the misunderstanding of what a belief is. A belief doesn't have to be supported by anything. As soon as a belief is supported by some evidence, and many things labeled as beliefs are, they can move on to be called theory etc. Climate change has gone way beyond belief. In fact I don't think it was ever a belief. Climate change, that is the particular one where the activities of people are causal, is now a well developed theory. I take the chances that it is essentially correct to be about 80%. That could be parsed into what has the most effect, least, negative, etc., but that is not the point. So I don't believe Climate Change is going to happen, I think it only has about 80% chance of being pretty bad. So I guess I'm not a Liberal Believer. So conservative believers what are you going to label me?

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Atatürk isnt a believer but muslim turks still think that he cant be replaced by anybody as a leader.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    This post demonstrates yet again the misunderstanding of what a belief is. A belief doesn't have to be supported by anything. As soon as a belief is supported by some evidence, and many things labeled as beliefs are, they can move on to be called theory etc. Climate change has gone way beyond belief. In fact I don't think it was ever a belief. Climate change, that is the particular one where the activities of people are causal, is now a well developed theory. I take the chances that it is essentially correct to be about 80%. That could be parsed into what has the most effect, least, negative, etc., but that is not the point. So I don't believe Climate Change is going to happen, I think it only has about 80% chance of being pretty bad. So I guess I'm not a Liberal Believer. So conservative believers what are you going to label me?
    At 80%? I label you a fanatic. LOL

    Incidentally, I think there is, at least, as much evidence of God as there is that man controls the global climate.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm not just comparing it, I'm saying it's the exact same thing. People act on their morals, beliefs, ethics, whatever, all the time. Acting on religious beliefs is no different and no worse than anything else that requires a little faith to believe in, like global warming.
    I guess I have to go on. I have more than 25 years experience of being a design engineer. My coworkers would often ask if I believed that my proposal for a design would work. In most environments I was forced to lie and answer "Yes!" since the people couldn't perform in an environment where I was only 95% sure that my design theory would work. Of course I couldn't mention theory. In certain small groups I could be honest, but we had to insure that no one was present that operated only with only absolutes, i.e. beliefs. What was interesting about the staff in our selected small group is most had religious 'beliefs'; however, what was different was their beliefs were supported by the results of operating using them, not so much because they were in the Book. That is the theory in the Book was supported by tests in the field.
    (Occasionally I'd already have a prototype working, so I could almost honestly say I believed it would work.)
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