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All of them?
All of them.
All of them?
SO you are saying that everything in the bible is good?All of them.
SO you are saying that everything in the bible is good?
You're equating "Christian values" to "everything in the Bible," which is a stretch, but I will say that the message of the Bible is good.
How can "Christian values" and the bible be a stretch? Seriously just a few posts a go you said: "Christian values are good." If those values did not come from the bible, where did they come from?
Im just trying to figure out what part of the bible has Christian values in it.From God Almighty.
Where is this going?
Im just trying to figure out what part of the bible has Christian values in it.
Im just trying to figure out what part of the bible has Christian values in it.
Ok I knew someone would point out the new testament. But does that imply that the entire new testament is good also?The New Testament. The Old Testament was Judaic law of the time.
Church tradition? And you even mention Moses in the same sentence. Church tradition is a form of worshiping false idols.I respectfully disagree with Lizzie there.
Christians should be essentially Jews who believe in the divinity and message of Jesus Christ. Thus, every word of the Old Testament has a high degree of importance.
Christian values could be described as an amalgamation of church tradition, the gospel of Christ, and the law of Moses.
Church tradition? And you even mention Moses in the same sentence. Church tradition is a form of worshiping false idols.
In other words fallacious heresy.In no way is it a form of worshiping false idols. I don't know where you get these misinformed ideas.
Church tradition is our way of interpreting the words of the Bible; much of which was divinely inspired, but penned by human beings.
In other words fallacious heresy.
Heresy | Define Heresy at Dictionary.comWell, since Google defines heresy as "Belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (esp. Christian) doctrine," I'd say that's evidently false.
Heresy | Define Heresy at Dictionary.com
1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system.
2. the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine.
3. Roman Catholic Church . the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church.
4. any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.
At any rate my intent was to convey the out of bible context that church's assert to control their followers. Which is relevant since the Christian Right is trying to use the Christian Faith to control Americans. By you asserting that there is an out of bible bases that dictates morals indicates that those Christian morals that you are talking about came from humans not gods.
Odd... I am usually the one pointing out those facts to theists. Do you realize that you undermined the need for Judeo-Christian Roots? What you have established (much better then I was) that Christianity is built on words of men. You discredited the bible so much that it is unreliable as a religious doctrine. Man has defined morality himself so it is obvious that Atheists do not need religion to be moral.Not really. It's an acceptance of the reality that the Bible, while divinely inspired, was chronicled by the hands of men.
The Gospel accounts were not written down until a generation after Christ. The modern Bible was not assembled until the year 331 at the earliest.
The books of Moses were inscribed from oral tradition around 600 BC, and compiled in to a book around 400 BC. (Moses himself lived around 1400 BC)
The printing press was not around until 1440 AD. Before then, very few owned Bibles. (Very few were literate as well...)
Oral tradition and rabbinical/church interpretation and tradition are older and more established methods of understanding the faith than the written bible.
Consider this. If the book itself were so important, why did Jesus preach and not write? Why didn't Jesus write his own gospel?
Odd... I am usually the one pointing out those facts to theists. Do you realize that you undermined the need for Judeo-Christian Roots? What you have established (much better then I was) that Christianity is built on words of men. You discredited the bible so much that it is unreliable as a religious doctrine. Man has defined morality himself so it is obvious that Atheists do not need religion to be moral.
Indeed why didnt Jesus write the gospel?
Indeed why didnt Jesus write the gospel?
That has echoes in the current furore over Mormon baptism of the dead. Evangelism is about giving people something they neither want nor need, because you know better what that is.
They are values of compassion, not necessarily tied to one religion. And I think the secular Enlightenment values are what will guide our country.Christian values are good.
They are values of compassion, not necessarily tied to one religion. And I think the secular Enlightenment values are what will guide our country.
They are values of compassion, not necessarily tied to one religion. And I think the secular Enlightenment values are what will guide our country.
But then to say that America is founded upon "Christian" values is fallacious, as America has also been founded on secular Enlightenment values as well, and those of Greek philosophy.The substance of the message is of far greater importance than the label.