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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The bold part is what I'm talking about. Behavior is entirely relevant to this discussion, particularly if you want to understand why some theists might not want to vote for an atheist. If you see a certain group, whether it be atheists or evangelical Christians displaying a pattern of behavior, it's going to inform your decision.
    TPD...I do see your point. But do you also see what I based why I based my judgment regarding Robertson?

    Irrationality...is a biggie for me...no matter what their core beliefs are.

    If an Atheist, running for president talked irrationally...believe me, I'd not show that person any consideration at all.

    Do you believe Pat Robertson to be of sound mind enough to be President?

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yea ok, anyways..

    A secular government is the only possible way for liberty to stay intact. When theists go all ballistic and start asserting that only religious people can be moral, well that my friend is a strike against liberty. And right now we are two down on the last inning and our worst batters are up next.

    The Republican party is trying to turn politics into who is the best religious leader wins. There are no Atheists running for President. Zero zilch as in none. Us Atheists are not wanting to turn this country into an Atheist utopia. There is no political might that is Atheist in America. So the issue is not what Atheists are doing to this country, it is what the Religious Right is doing to this country. Preaching that a section of society is immoral sounds familiar.

    Here is the reality that you are missing: Christians assert that they are the moral leaders of the world. Christians single out Atheists (because of the writings in the bible) as immoral subhuman scabs on society. It is obvious even from your own opinions that Christians intend to banish Atheists from the Government and ultimately from society. Hence the need to try to convert all of us Atheists. Christians promote conflict by insisting that Atheists cannot be moral without god. Is not bigotry a sin?

    Electoral Colleges make a lot of since when people start making silly decisions like asserting that certain groups are more moral than others.
    The left is pretty much all atheist. Vote for Obama.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The left is pretty much all atheist. Vote for Obama.
    *Facepalm* *Writes name down on list*

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    *Facepalm* *Writes name down on list*
    Obama is not a Christian, sorry to burst your bubble.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The left is pretty much all atheist. Vote for Obama.
    What is really sad is that the Republican playing field sux so bad that it almost (in a macabre way) makes Obama an attractive alternative. At any rate I do not vote according to what personal beliefs politicians have or do not have. I just assume that they all have bad morals otherwise they would not be politicians.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    TPD...I do see your point. But do you also see what I based why I based my judgment regarding Robertson?

    Irrationality...is a biggie for me...no matter what their core beliefs are.

    If an Atheist, running for president talked irrationally...believe me, I'd not show that person any consideration at all.

    Do you believe Pat Robertson to be of sound mind enough to be President?
    No, I don't think he is of sound mind which is EXACTLY why I'm saying that the behavior of members of particularly groups is relevant to the discussion and why I disagree with your initial comment that it isn't.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Obama is not a Christian, sorry to burst your bubble.
    Oh, so he's a Muslim?
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The left is pretty much all atheist. Vote for Obama.
    Wrong. Most leftists are Christian. It's just that they aren't all loud about it.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Obama is not a Christian, sorry to burst your bubble.
    Obama is a Christian whose religious views developed in his adult life. He wrote in The Audacity of Hope that he "was not raised in a religious household". He described his mother, raised by non-religious parents (whom Obama has specified elsewhere as "non-practicing Methodists and Baptists"), to be detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known". He described his father as "raised a Muslim", but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful". Obama explained how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand "the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change".[297]

    In an interview with the evangelical periodical Christianity Today, Obama stated: "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life."[298]

    On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his religious views saying "I'm a Christian by choice. My family didn't—frankly, they weren't folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn't raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead—being my brothers' and sisters' keeper, treating others as they would treat me."[299][300]

    Obama was baptized at the Trinity United Church of Christ, a black liberation church, in 1988, and was an active member there for two decades.[301] Obama resigned from Trinity during the Presidential campaign after controversial statements made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright became public.[302] After a prolonged effort to find a church to attend regularly in Washington, Obama announced in June 2009 that his primary place of worship would be the Evergreen Chapel at Camp David.[303]
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    I'd say he's a Christian, but maybe not the kind of Christian that tries to force his religion on everybody else.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Obama is not a Christian, sorry to burst your bubble.
    You're right! Just listen to these guys...Stupid Republicans on Obama - YouTube
    Alright, but seriously where is your proof?

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