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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    My personal experience and those of many others is that your observation is incorrect. I have observed that most atheists have to hide least they loose their job, etc.
    Another poster who says something that had nothing to do with my post. I already said that many atheists face bigotry from religious people so it's no surprise that some have to hide their non-belief. My experience on this board and with atheists in the media is that the majority of them are intolerant which is why they use words like "imaginary friend" to describe God and why they think religious people are stupid. If your experience is different, I'm not surprised, which is why I made it clear that it was "in my experience" and didn't just state my comments like facts.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    I wonder how anyone says they don't think the basis of someone elses existence is credible without offending them? Seems like someone has to be an atheist with an agnostic presentation for the desired politically correct effect.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, I agree with all of this and consequently, none of this adequately addresses either of my points. My points were: 1) I think you're wrong to say that Kal'Stang is merely projecting his own biases when he pointed out the intolerance of many atheists. 2) It's not just religious bigotry that makes theists not want an atheist president, it's also the fact the public face of atheism is intolerant of theism in one way or another. (#2 is a more general point not necessarily directed at you.)
    TPD, you'll have to forgive me. But would you please copy and paste anything that I've directly, or indirectly said about Kal'Stang's comments in this thread. I can't seem to find it.

    Thank you...

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Another poster who says something that had nothing to do with my post. I already said that many atheists face bigotry from religious people so it's no surprise that some have to hide their non-belief. My experience on this board and with atheists in the media is that the majority of them are intolerant which is why they use words like "imaginary friend" to describe God and why they think religious people are stupid. If your experience is different, I'm not surprised, which is why I made it clear that it was "in my experience" and didn't just state my comments like facts.
    I re-read your post where you described your observations. I had responded that my observations have been different. I think they are different because a higher proportion of atheists hide they views compared to most Christians, therefore your not counting them at all. I still think that was related to your post, so please try again to have me understand.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    - How can you ascertain a political candidates true political views? Politicians will promise the moon (or a moon base, in some cases) in order to get elected.

    - Is there really such a distinction between a candidate's political views and his personal views? My opinion is that a politician's personal views seep in to his policy.
    How do you ascertain a political candidates true beliefs? Politicians will say anything they can to get elected, even fake religion. At least you know the guy claiming atheism is honest since atheism carries such a heavy negative political toll that one isn't going to "fake" it.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Another poster who says something that had nothing to do with my post. I already said that many atheists face bigotry from religious people so it's no surprise that some have to hide their non-belief. My experience on this board and with atheists in the media is that the majority of them are intolerant which is why they use words like "imaginary friend" to describe God and why they think religious people are stupid. If your experience is different, I'm not surprised, which is why I made it clear that it was "in my experience" and didn't just state my comments like facts.
    Squeaky wheel get's the grease as they say. The media is going to cover the most obnoxious of the folk, which is why you'll see some distortion of statistics. The end all be all is that if atheism ever had some outward mark so that people could tell who was an atheist; we'd be the most discriminated block of people. Thankfully we ain't got to run around with big red "A"s on our shirts.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How do you ascertain a political candidates true beliefs? Politicians will say anything they can to get elected, even fake religion. At least you know the guy claiming atheism is honest since atheism carries such a heavy negative political toll that one isn't going to "fake" it.
    90% of respondents on this poll have said they would vote for an atheist. Isn't that evidence that atheism isn't such a heavy political toll?

    To answer your question, it's a subjective process, but I am fairly certain that Rick Santorum, for example, is genuinely Catholic. He is Catholic even when it hurts him to be Catholic (abortion, contraception). I would say the same thing for Mitt Romney and his Mormonism. For better or worse, Romney would probably have more voters if he were not Mormon.

    Gingrich, Paul, and Obama, on the other hand, seem to be much less driven by religion.

    However, as I said, this is a subjective judgement.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Isn't that evidence that atheism isn't such a heavy political toll?
    No because this is a political forum wherein people tend to be well more informed and active than the general populace. Look how many polls will have Ron Paul winning, doesn't mean that makes a difference outside this forum. Come on man.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Another poster who says something that had nothing to do with my post. I already said that many atheists face bigotry from religious people so it's no surprise that some have to hide their non-belief. My experience on this board and with atheists in the media is that the majority of them are intolerant which is why they use words like "imaginary friend" to describe God and why they think religious people are stupid. If your experience is different, I'm not surprised, which is why I made it clear that it was "in my experience" and didn't just state my comments like facts.
    Yeah it is weird like that.. the intolerant ones make all the fuss and the noise and get all the attention, while the tolerant say little as a result of their tolerance and such go under the radar.

    It is easy to see why people think that the majority of atheists are intolerant, while the reality is it is the outspoken minority.

    And yes, for the most part atheists cannot comprehend or relate to your beliefs, this is why they are atheists.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No because this is a political forum wherein people tend to be well more informed and active than the general populace. Look how many polls will have Ron Paul winning, doesn't mean that makes a difference outside this forum. Come on man.
    So people who tend to be more informed prefer atheist candidates?

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