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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is a graded test. How well you do determines whether you get in. That concept acts as an incentive to live a moral life.
    The question is by whom and on what test. We believe we know but there is no way to know. Furthermore, even within religions there are clear arguments as to what gets you in and what disqualifies you. And then there is the ugly potential that the Real God(s) are the one or ones we never heard of and we're all doomed because no one follows their set of rules.

    I agree that there can be moral people who are atheists, but I also believe that good people gravitate toward religion.
    Maybe, but fact that atheists do not make up their similar share in prisons as in the general populace suggests there's something more. Then again, I knew an atheist who thought because there was no punishment, he could do whatever he wanted. A bit of a psychopath.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    I don't know if this has been said or not so if it has please forgive me. I just didn't feel like going through pages and pages of posts.

    Personally I could understand why someone that is religious would not want to elect an athiest.

    Athiests are not known for their tolerance of religious discussions. And there have been quite a few athiests of late that seem to make a point of crapping on religion from the pov of those that are religious.

    Also I could just imagine how an athiest would handle a foriegn leader who's views are based entirely upon their religion.

    I am not saying that ALL athiests are like this. But from my experiance there are alot that are like this.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't know if this has been said or not so if it has please forgive me. I just didn't feel like going through pages and pages of posts.

    Personally I could understand why someone that is religious would not want to elect an athiest.

    Athiests are not known for their tolerance of religious discussions. And there have been quite a few athiests of late that seem to make a point of crapping on religion from the pov of those that are religious.

    Also I could just imagine how an athiest would handle a foriegn leader who's views are based entirely upon their religion.

    I am not saying that ALL athiests are like this. But from my experiance there are alot that are like this.
    I think that an Atheist would better to deal with religious countries. A Christian President would be biased by their own religious beliefs. Of course there are people who can and do put their religious or non religious beliefs to the side for diplomatic reasoning. I know that most Atheists must endure religious people sometimes in order to not be persecuted by them during the mundane parts of daily living. But then the hate by all religions of Atheists would make diplomatic relations strained. But would it be more strained than between Christians and Muslims?

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I think that an Atheist would better to deal with religious countries. A Christian President would be biased by their own religious beliefs. Of course there are people who can and do put their religious or non religious beliefs to the side for diplomatic reasoning. I know that most Atheists must endure religious people sometimes in order to not be persecuted by them during the mundane parts of daily living. But then the hate by all religions of Atheists would make diplomatic relations strained. But would it be more strained than between Christians and Muslims?
    There might be strain between a Christian and a Muslim. But I don't think that it would be as much when compared to an Athiest and a Muslim. At least a Christian and a Muslim have a reletively common background. An athiest has no common ground what so ever with any religion.

    As I said earlier I would rather have an agnostic in the POTUS seat for the simple fact that they are neutral on religion.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There might be strain between a Christian and a Muslim. But I don't think that it would be as much when compared to an Athiest and a Muslim. At least a Christian and a Muslim have a reletively common background. An athiest has no common ground what so ever with any religion.

    As I said earlier I would rather have an agnostic in the POTUS seat for the simple fact that they are neutral on religion.
    I do not see why an agnostic Atheist would be considered neutral as opposed to a real Atheist. I think that you are assuming that all Atheists are of the extreme flavor that attacks religion. While those people do exist they are not the normal everyday Atheist.
    It would be like asserting that all Muslim were like Bin Laden or that every Christian is like the Pope, neither being examples of the normal everyday Muslim or Christian.

    The reality is that most Atheists dont really care about religion, they just are not religious. You are stereotyping a large section of society assuming that all Atheists are intolerant of religion. Perhaps it is your own bias that is dictating your opinion?

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    If he shares my political views and isn't the "evangelical" equivilent of an Athiest, I'd have no issue voting for them.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I do not see why an agnostic Atheist would be considered neutral as opposed to a real Atheist. I think that you are assuming that all Atheists are of the extreme flavor that attacks religion. While those people do exist they are not the normal everyday Atheist.
    It would be like asserting that all Muslim were like Bin Laden or that every Christian is like the Pope, neither being examples of the normal everyday Muslim or Christian.

    The reality is that most Atheists dont really care about religion, they just are not religious. You are stereotyping a large section of society assuming that all Atheists are intolerant of religion. Perhaps it is your own bias that is dictating your opinion?
    An agnostic is not an athiest. They do not know if a god/ess (plural or single) exists or not and they make no determination either way.

    And yes I know that not all athiests are the same. But could someone that is religious take the chance that this or that particular athiest was the kind that doesn't give a crap? Everyone knows that politicians lie and smooth talk their way into their positions.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If he shares my political views and isn't the "evangelical" equivilent of an Athiest, I'd have no issue voting for them.
    Evangelical atheists are just as annoying as religous fundamentalists.

    But it's good I found a way to feel superior to both.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The Constitution pre-supposed that rights exist, and the Decleration of Independance says they come from God. Our founders agreed that there was a God and that this is where our rights come from, so if you don't believe in God then you therefore can't logicaly believe in any rights God has given, because you can't receave anything from anyone who doesn't exist.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The reality is that most Atheists dont really care about religion, they just are not religious. You are stereotyping a large section of society assuming that all Atheists are intolerant of religion. Perhaps it is your own bias that is dictating your opinion?
    I agree completely. Most people just don't understand atheism...period. Those who hold religious beliefs usually gravitate to the idea that being atheist is automatically anti-religion...or at the very least some type of indictment against religion.

    The fact is...atheist can't grasp what it feels like to conceptualize the universe, or anything possibly beyond, in any other state of being other than empirically. There isn't a connection to any existence of a reality beyond those things that can't be humanly experienced.

    I personally subscribe to the current scientific explanation of the origin of the universe. No more - no less.

    I don't live my life trying to navigate my daily existence clinging to a blind faith that an invisible force that does not "empirically" make it's presence known is directing every event that exists in our known universe.

    Until there is empirical evidence of a supernatural existence that created and maintains an ongoing relationship with all existing things...I won't be forced to participate in religious dogma...of which there are many claiming to be the only true religion. And that alone should be telling people something is unstable with a singular truth about the possibilities of supernatural entities.

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