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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I agree with you; the smarter one gets, the more awareness one has of the inherent morality/immorality of his choices. The question is, what defining characteristic makes some people choose to do the right thing, and others choose to do the wrong thing?
    I'm going to guess it's the result of whether they were raised to be respectful toward other people's needs/suffering/differences or whether they were raised to be gigantic douchebags.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I agree with you; the smarter one gets, the more awareness one has of the inherent morality/immorality of his choices. The question is, what defining characteristic makes some people choose to do the right thing, and others choose to do the wrong thing?
    Its called freewill. Homo sapiens existed long before the bible existed. If humans needed the bible in order to decide what is moral and what is not then mankind would have vanished long before the bible was even written. Plus many other cultures exist that are not Christian and do not have any different morals than anyone else. Humans in reality are not amoral until they learn the teachings of an religion. Sure there may be cultural differences between western civilization and other civilizations but the root morals of mankind are universal. And the belief that only believers in a god are moral is primitive and naive at best.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm going to guess it's the result of whether they were raised to be respectful toward other people's needs/suffering/differences or whether they were raised to be gigantic douchebags.
    So does a 50 year old still hear mom and dad's voice in the back of his head?

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So does a 50 year old still hear mom and dad's voice in the back of his head?
    I'm in my mid 30's and I do (metaphorically speaking, of course).

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So does a 50 year old still hear mom and dad's voice in the back of his head?
    No, cultural conditioning doesn't work that way at all. Different cultures and socioeconomic manifestations have been shown to radically shape one's worldview or ethical standpoints, along with one's social behavior. Religion is just one example.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    No, cultural conditioning doesn't work that way at all. Different cultures and socioeconomic manifestations have been shown to radically shape one's worldview or ethical standpoints, along with one's social behavior. Religion is just one example.
    That sounds like a good justification for considering a presidential candidate's chosen religion, or lack thereof.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Its called freewill. Homo sapiens existed long before the bible existed. If humans needed the bible in order to decide what is moral and what is not then mankind would have vanished long before the bible was even written. Plus many other cultures exist that are not Christian and do not have any different morals than anyone else. Humans in reality are not amoral until they learn the teachings of an religion. Sure there may be cultural differences between western civilization and other civilizations but the root morals of mankind are universal. And the belief that only believers in a god are moral is primitive and naive at best.
    Even within America, many of us have differing morals.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That sounds like a good justification for considering a presidential candidate's chosen religion, or lack thereof.
    I would consider his religion only if it played a role in his political views.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    I would consider his religion only if it played a role in his political views.
    - How can you ascertain a political candidates true political views? Politicians will promise the moon (or a moon base, in some cases) in order to get elected.

    - Is there really such a distinction between a candidate's political views and his personal views? My opinion is that a politician's personal views seep in to his policy.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    - How can you ascertain a political candidates true political views? Politicians will promise the moon (or a moon base, in some cases) in order to get elected.
    Then why vote at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm
    - Is there really such a distinction between a candidate's political views and his personal views? My opinion is that a politician's personal views seep in to his policy.
    There is a distinction, and personal views do seep into political views. Religion frequently affects political policy.

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