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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Do you believe that the same argument applies to the Constitution?
    The Constitution is a document created to change with the times. The Declaration of Independence was written to King George why we were revolting. It has no legislative value.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's a gift because God made us to be intelligent beings to then inherently posses various rights.
    Rights aren't a gift. That's why they're called rights. We automatically have them. They cannot be a gift because that would mean that they are privileges that can be taken away just as quickly as they can be given.
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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Many athiests only don't believe becaues they don't see reason for it - many have and do change their views based on things they experience in tehir lives.

    Likewise: religious people can do the same and let go of their beliefs.

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    I met so many peole in our first southern church that seemed completely godless - there for looks only. Religions then occured to me to be a fashion that was worn and nothing more than a mere accoutrement.
    Think about this: If they are going to church but are completely godless they are actually lazy. To be genuinely godfull it takes some work, not just attending on Sunday and church social gathering. These people become uninformed followers. If you don't go to a church you tend not to have uninformed followers to vote with you.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    I'm saying that I would rather live in a theocratic Muslim state than an atheistic one. Naturally, I would prefer a secular state to both.
    if you were a woman,maybe you wouldnt like to live in a theocratic muslim country,

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The belief is not in whether or not the climate changes, but in whether or not human presence on the planet is causing it. We haven't had enough time (not nearly enough time) yet to prove that is the case. Until there is ample time and data, those who believe we are causing it merely believe it.
    Yup, I don't believe it! I only think there is an 80% chance that human presence is causing it! Now, if I came to the conclusion that there was an 80% chance that if I drove my car today I be seriously injured I'd take some action.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Rights aren't a gift. That's why they're called rights. We automatically have them. They cannot be a gift because that would mean that they are privileges that can be taken away just as quickly as they can be given.
    Rights are inherant in every being. God created us as such being who automatically have rights. "God given rights" just means God is ultimately responsible for our having rights today.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    I voted yes as It does not matter to me the Presidents religion. Its the policy that counts. That said I would not support a president that trampled the beliefs of others based on the lack of a belief on his/her part.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Rights are inherant in every being. God created us as such being who automatically have rights. "God given rights" just means God is ultimately responsible for our having rights today.
    Is that why women's rights are different the men's rights?

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh so an atheist president would try to rewrite our contry's history? Just another reasn not to vote for him.
    Why are you putting words in people's mouth? This is supposed to be a intellectual debate. Don't turn it into a childish arguement. You are trying to tell us that atheists are inherently liars and try to oppress all those who don't agree with them. Hypocrite.

    Religion has no place in government. Our founding fathers lived in a time where over 90% of the people came from Europe, which was predominately Christian. Many But that doesn't mean that those who are atheist are therefore more likely to be immoral. We are punished for what we believe in this life. I would also like to point out that some of the most bloody wars in history were caused by religion. Just as many famous psychopaths are theists as ones that are atheist. Just as many thieves are theistic as atheistic. Just as many people athiests put others before themselves as thiests. There are just as many great thiests as great atheists who have done good for Humanity. Neither is worse or better than the other, so what does it matter if a president is a theist or an atheist? They are both capable of doing good and doing bad, they are Human. Humanity is imperfect, as Christianity is so fond of telling us, so how can another Human do worse than another just because he doesn't believe that there is no free will? (To counter any arguement against my previous statements, if god knows everything, he knows what we will do. If he controls everything he controls us and thus there is no freewill. And if something is imperfect it cannot be created by something that is perfect. Perfection CANNOT create imperfection, so the thought of a god is illogical.) Religion shouldn't matter, and preaching that people should be tolerant of others as my pastor (when I was younger and believed this stuff) always told me, and then turning around and attacking homosexuals, Islam, atheists, etc. etc. to the extent of wars that have killed millions over the years. It is insulting and it pains me to say I once agreed with that and did the same thing. I am now an atheist due to my father and how he showed me that Christianity was illogical. Does it make me more prone to hurt others because of that single fact? I would hope that such a trivial and private matter not be a determining factor in how I treat others. I would hope the person who represents my country wouldn't use his beliefs as a determining factor in his policies. That would be against the very things the US Stands for. If we elect someone based on a trivial matter, we are simply undermining the system we as Americans believe in.

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    Re: Vote for an atheist president (for religious people)

    12.2.20 So many aberrations, so what exactly is normal?
    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if you were a woman,maybe you wouldnt like to live in a theocratic muslim country,
    presumably you are unaware, heathen christians, esp evangelicals advocate a WORLDWIDE theocracy ruled from Yerushaláyim.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's a gift because God made us to be intelligent beings to then inherently posses various rights.
    As i recall a big part of saul/paul's manmade dogma was the fallacious original sin misrepresentation that due to man's improper consumption of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge all of his descendants forever are tainted with original sin... so much for man being made an intelligent being. Man is not intelligent, it is primitive, savage and blood thirsty animal. Intelligence is a byproduct from civilized society; if only because uncivilized societies tend to exterminate each other. And this god you mention (from the Jewish campfire stories contained in Genesis), is that the Jewish G of Abraham, because there is no god in christianity, it basically usurps Judaism; even replacing their TaNaKh with their heathen fabricated new testament (nt). (not a single book in the nt comes from a prophet, many of them are in fact anonymous, or bogus epistles from saul who btw was NEITHER a prophet from G, nor a disciple of Christ.) As far as "an athiest president" are you going to elect a competent man to run the executive branch of US government, or are you electing a guy to dress up in a jewel encrusted dress that preaches from a pulpit or a dais. You may not recall the early 1960s uproar from the gop about electing a catholic candidate JFK and RFK. Those guys got murdered. And the few mentions about the US Constitution, did not gop pres bush2 say he would wipe his as* on the constitution? Because the patriot act and acta invalidated most of the legislated bill of rights.
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