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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    This is ridicules, If a store chooses not to sell something oh well. Either the customers will patronize the store or not. Even stores in the middle of nowhere depend on return customers and subject to failure if there is not enough business. Actually isolated stores are more susceptible to boycotts. And in larger more competitive areas you snooze you loose.

    So the question from a business perspective is pointless. But the question from a political stand point is dangerous in nature. The idea that the government should dictate what a private business owner puts on their shelves sounds a tad bit authoritative. Plus there is the religious freedom that our Constitution promises that would need to be walked all over in order to do anything about a merchant refusing to stock pork on their shelves. If laws were enacted to require the sell of pork in all groceries, that law would also open the door for the suppression of other religious activity.

    From a liberty point of view we should tar and feather the OP for suggesting that we should persecute people based solely on their religious point of view.
    Last edited by FreedomFromAll; 02-18-12 at 02:59 PM.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Homosexuals and transvestites are not protected and as such do not have to be hired. Its race, age, religion, sex, national origin. Those are the protected classes employers may not discriminate against.
    It depends on the state. 21 states have outlawed discrimination based upon sexual orientation.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It depends on the state. 21 states have outlawed discrimination based upon sexual orientation.
    I am just telling you EEOC guidlines. If a state wants to do something that's another discussion.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Apples to Oranges. Discrimination does not compare to not selling something
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    Who is being forced to hire homosexuals? That's different from being forced to not discriminate.
    But it's still a religious business being affected by the unreligious government.

    Why should Apostolic/Pentecostal business that sells Biblical material be forced to hire transvestites and homosexuals? You can tell me it's not "forced," yet if a transvestite/homosexual "decides" to apply at that business, that business can't object. Ergo, forced.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Reverse: Who is not being forced to hire homosexuals? That's different from being forced to not reverse discriminate.

    oh, wait reverse discrimination doesn't happen.

    No one is being forced to hire homosexuals, and reverse racism is the opposite of racism. If you mean racism against white people just say so.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    But it's still a religious business being affected by the unreligious government.

    Why should Apostolic/Pentecostal business that sells Biblical material be forced to hire transvestites and homosexuals? You can tell me it's not "forced," yet if a transvestite/homosexual "decides" to apply at that business, that business can't object. Ergo, forced.
    They are not forced to hire.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    But it's still a religious business being affected by the unreligious government.

    Why should Apostolic/Pentecostal business that sells Biblical material be forced to hire transvestites and homosexuals? You can tell me it's not "forced," yet if a transvestite/homosexual "decides" to apply at that business, that business can't object. Ergo, forced.
    Well, I don't believe that businesses should be compelled to supply a certain product. let's get that out of the way first.

    That being said, where exactly in the Bible does it say that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to work for a living? And even then, if a homosexual applies for a job at that business, he or she has to be qualified. It's not that you're compelled to force to hire a gay person just because he or she applies.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 02-18-12 at 03:07 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well, I don't believe that businesses should be compelled to supply a certain product. let's get that out of the way first.

    That being said, where exactly in the Bible does it say that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to work for a living? And even then, if a homosexual applies for a job at that business, he or she has to be qualified. It's not that you're compelled to force to hire a gay person just because he or she applies.
    I can reason on the first point.

    SB, if a Traditionally Christian business turned down a homosexual/transvestite, you've got an epic news story. If said business turns down a person based on the business's religious beliefs, that person will complain and sue. I never argued that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to work.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    No one is being forced to hire homosexuals, and reverse racism is the opposite of racism. If you mean racism against white people just say so.
    Racism and discrimination are not one in the same, I never implied that it had anything to do with race. That is you not reading the words correctly or you're trollling.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Of course they can. Just look at how Obama violated Catholics.

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