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Thread: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No.

    The issue in the OP isn't the Muslim grocer choosing not to carry a certain brand of pork. It's that they refuse to carry an entire item.
    if Catholics don't have to pay for the pill, condoms, or abortions, than Muslims don't have to carry pork or sell pork.

    ...that's if we value the religious rights of all...equally.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    In rural Minnesota, there is a surprisingly high number of Somalis. I can imagine a day when one of them buys the grocery store, as in a lot of these towns there is only one. If/when they do, if they stop selling pork, the right will be all over it with screams of "sharia law!"

    In fact, they already were all over a similar thing:

    "Minnosotta seems to be on its way to be America's first Somalia Muslim state"

    Get serious, I watched 10 seconds and stop after I heard that.

    Unless someone can point to a real exactly of something being forced to go veggie or whatever to a radical and whacky combination of coincidences there's no argument to be made.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No.

    The issue in the OP isn't the Muslim grocer choosing not to carry a certain brand of pork. It's that they refuse to carry an entire item.
    I refuse to carry certain plants at my nursery.

    what's the big deal if a Muslim doesn't want to carry pork? If it is a private business, he can carry or not carry whatever he d@mn well pleases, the reasons for such being religious or otherwise.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.

    Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?
    If they own the store then it's their property and they are free to carry or not carry pork at their discretion.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    An employer doesn't own his employees' healthcare needs, just the obligation to provide for them.
    Don't work out, work in.

    Never eat anything that's served in a bucket.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    An employer doesn't own his employees' healthcare needs, just the obligation to provide for them.
    yes, and they shouldn't have the right to pick & choose which services they wish to fund, due to their religious commitments of the day.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I refuse to carry certain plants at my nursery.

    what's the big deal if a Muslim doesn't want to carry pork? If it is a private business, he can carry or not carry whatever he d@mn well pleases, the reasons for such being religious or otherwise.
    It matters if it's a necessary staple to the people in that area and that's the only store there. And, if that's the case, the government has the duty to the well-being of the people in that area to either force that store owner to carry pork or to distribute it itself as part of a government service.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, and they shouldn't have the right to pick & choose which services they wish to fund, due to their religious commitments of the day.
    Or pick and choose which services the premium the employee pays will cover. Employees pay the premium. Health insurance isn't a gift.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    An employer doesn't own his employees' healthcare needs, just the obligation to provide for them.
    I actually disagree.

    I actually think it's the obligation of the society to provide for the healthcare needs of all its citizens, and so a universal singer-payer system funded by the government should be used instead, at least for basic healthcare needs. Supplemental care and be provided by private health insurance designed for that.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It matters if it's a necessary staple to the people in that area and that's the only store there. And, if that's the case, the government has the duty to the well-being of the people in that area to either force that store owner to carry pork or to distribute it itself as part of a government service.
    How many other things can this apply to? How do you define stable? How do you define well-being? How many people do you know who exist in since a fine line of income that they can afford pork but not beef? This is ridiculous, its a complete hypothetical for a scenario which doesn't exist and you're solution is to have the government roll into down distributing pork patties or whatever else. Whos going to pay for that? Hell if you can't afford the pork itself, will you be able to afford the pork distribution tax?

    This whole scenario just reeks of silliness and self-entitlement.

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