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Thread: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you might be right.

    that's why we should government funded health insurance.
    Quite a few try to make this argument. It doesn't wash.
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.

    Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?
    NO, of course not...
    And our government has never done anything of the kind.
    So why is this being asked ???

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well it depends.

    It could be that I have a lot of opportunities with regards to store selection so I can just merely go to another store and buy pork if I need to.

    But if I live in an isolated area in which I don't have much opportunity of store selection and the only convenient store is owned by a Muslim who refuses to sell pork even when beef and chicken prices has risen so high I can't afford to buy them and I'm allergic to seafood, then I don't see why my health should suffer because of someone else's religious views are limiting my choice.

    And, if that's the case, I'm sure as hell going to vote to get rid of that limitation some how.
    It doesn't get much more liberal than this. You have to be kidding! You can move if your health requires it. What if there is no hospital, you going to make "them" build one for you?
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, so the U.S. government should nationalize food distribution in order to ensure that every American has the opportunity to get the sustenance they need and want within their limits so that people's choices on the type of food available for them to buy, which may be limited in some areas due to a small pool of places to choose from, isn't restricted by the religious beliefs of store owners.
    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well it depends.

    It could be that I have a lot of opportunities with regards to store selection so I can just merely go to another store and buy pork if I need to.

    But if I live in an isolated area in which I don't have much opportunity of store selection and the only convenient store is owned by a Muslim who refuses to sell pork even when beef and chicken prices has risen so high I can't afford to buy them and I'm allergic to seafood, then I don't see why my health should suffer because of someone else's religious views are limiting my choice.

    And, if that's the case, I'm sure as hell going to vote to get rid of that limitation some how.


    Mega likes for amazingly well done satire that shows the absurdity of the thought process. If not satire.......wow. Just...wow.

    No they shouldn't force a shop owner to sell pork. Then again, they shouldn't force a business to provide a health care plan that provides contraceptives. Sadly what they shouldn't do doesn't always jive with what they do do.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    Mega likes for amazingly well done satire that shows the absurdity of the thought process. If not satire.......wow. Just...wow.

    No they shouldn't force a shop owner to sell pork. Then again, they shouldn't force a business to provide a health care plan that provides contraceptives. Sadly what they shouldn't do doesn't always jive with what they do do.
    Health insurance as provided by an employer is considered as part of what the employee is being paid for their labor. The insurance company is the party that would be mandated to provided birth control not the employer, in fact the employer has no say so in how the private insurance company runs their business. The contract is between the insurance company and they employee receiving the healthcare.

    The employer has no right to know what exactly the employee is doing in their free time. Privacy laws enforce the confidentiality of the patient and their right to obtain medical care without the knowledge of the employer. If an employee is using birth control it is none of the employers business according to the law.

    Allowing such restrictions is dangerous and hedges liberty extremely. AN employer could abuse such restrictions by simply denying medical treatment that would have saved an employees life for whatever reasons. Ones employer is not your HMO.

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