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Thread: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    No, as long as the store isn't violating any health regulations then the government has no say in what they sell.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What comes down to

    If the government mandates employer provided health care, and i am sure that some states have in the past for employers of a certain size, should certain medical services be mandated as well. Can the employer refuse to cover heart transplants or other organ transplants, what of insulin medication.

    Personally I dont think birth control, or erectile disfunction medication should be forced on an employer (if I recall correctly GM was the largest purchaser of Viagra for many years in the 2000s)
    Why stop at the employer? Why should the insurance company itself be required to inculcated certain services in all their products?

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Why stop at the employer? Why should the insurance company itself be required to inculcated certain services in all their products?


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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Why stop at the employer? Why should the insurance company itself be required to inculcated certain services in all their products?
    HMOs sell a product, and yes...they should have the right to not sell certain products, or reimburse for certain services. if an HMO doesn't want to cover birth control pills, I don't think they should be forced to sell such a product. yes, I guess this puts me in conflict with Obama.

    no one can force anyone, to sell something....unless the thing has clearly safety purposes, like seatbelts & airbags. govt. has the right to require things that are of a purely safety nature.

    however, employers of people....are different. they have a responsibility to their employees, that HMOs do not.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    The power to tax/regulate is the power to destroy, and should be exercised most judiciously.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    HMOs sell a product, and yes...they should have the right to not sell certain products, or reimburse for certain services. if an HMO doesn't want to cover birth control pills, I don't think they should be forced to sell such a product. yes, I guess this puts me in conflict with Obama.

    no one can force anyone, to sell something....unless the thing has clearly safety purposes, like seatbelts & airbags. govt. has the right to require things that are of a purely safety nature.

    however, employers of people....are different. they have a responsibility to their employees, that HMOs do not.
    They have a responsibility to their employees involving not mistreating them at the workplace or creating unnecessarily unsafe working conditions. That is part of their employment.

    Health coverage is entirely voluntary. It's not the responsibility of the employer, period. That it has become a common practice does not make it an inherent responsibility of being an employer.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.

    Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?
    If it is a privately owned business, no. They shouldn't have the right to force a grocer to carry any particular item.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Sharia law would be so blatantly unconstitutional that it is difficult to see how it could ever be implemented in the U...what?

    Asset forfeiture?
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    Indefinite detention without trial?

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    No, they should, and do, carry whatever products they want. If we want the government to concentrate more on foods, perhaps we should up the funds for FDA inspections, better checking for contaminated meats and produce. Remember, when the republicans wanted to put FDA food inspection on the chopping block, not long ago?
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    They have a responsibility to their employees involving not mistreating them at the workplace or creating unnecessarily unsafe working conditions. That is part of their employment.

    Health coverage is entirely voluntary. It's not the responsibility of the employer, period. That it has become a common practice does not make it an inherent responsibility of being an employer.
    you might be right.

    that's why we should government funded health insurance.

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