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Thread: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.

    Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?
    Is there a constitutional right to eat pork that outweighs their right to practice their religion?

    I don't think the government should be forcing contraception down the throats of catholics, but I do think the government has a far greater interest in doing that than in interfering with the decision of muslim grocers to sell pork.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    If you don't seve someone because of race its racial discrimination. These aren't hard concepts.
    I'm quite aware of that.
    That doesn't mean the grocer, who doesn't sell pork, isn't discriminating.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Is there a constitutional right to eat pork that outweighs their right to practice their religion?

    I don't think the government should be forcing contraception down the throats of catholics, but I do think the government has a far greater interest in doing that than in interfering with the decision of muslim grocers to sell pork.
    Where is the constitutional right to contraception?

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm quite aware of that.
    That doesn't mean the grocer, who doesn't sell pork, isn't discriminating.
    its not discriminatory, to not sell pork because your religion forbids associating with pork.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its not discriminatory, to not sell pork because your religion forbids associating with pork.
    That totally goes against the definition of discrimination.
    The word discrimination, doesn't automatically mean racial discrimination.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That totally goes against the definition of discrimination.
    The word discrimination, doesn't automatically mean racial discrimination.
    if you, the government, orders me to sell pork...in violation of my religious beliefs..then you the government are discriminating against my religious rights.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Where is the constitutional right to contraception?
    I don't know if that's the most honest way to describe the situation. We have have a constitution in large part to keep us from being under the thumb of religion and stop religion from persecuting people. I would say that a huge organization such as the Catholic church with hundreds of billions in assets, that is able to take advantage of tax breaks for being a church and at the same time run a for profit business, while at the same time telling its employees they don't hav ethe right to buy insurance from anyone but the Church, and that the the church will not cover basics that all other insurance policies cover is violating the spirit if not the letter of freedom from religious persecution.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if you, the government, orders me to sell pork...in violation of my religious beliefs..then you the government are discriminating against my religious rights.
    That is likely correct.
    Discrimination is merely choosing, for or against, something.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Where is the constitutional right to contraception?
    Within the penumbra of privacy.

    Griswold v. Connecticut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You don't like it, take it up with the SCOTUS.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It absolutely is discrimination.
    You're choosing not to sell something based on religious preference.
    It's not discrimination in the context of jimbo's post. You're using the broader, innocuous meaning of discrimination that is not being talked about. He implied that not selling pork is discrimination against non-Muslims. It's not - unless you have pork and just won't sell it to non-Muslims, but that's not the case in the OP. So again - not discrimination.
    Last edited by ThePlayDrive; 02-19-12 at 10:24 AM.

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