Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

No, as long as the store isn't violating any health regulations then the government has no say in what they sell.

Lord Tammerlain said:

What comes down to

If the government mandates employer provided health care, and i am sure that some states have in the past for employers of a certain size, should certain medical services be mandated as well. Can the employer refuse to cover heart transplants or other organ transplants, what of insulin medication.

Personally I dont think birth control, or erectile disfunction medication should be forced on an employer (if I recall correctly GM was the largest purchaser of Viagra for many years in the 2000s)

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Why stop at the employer? Why should the insurance company itself be required to inculcated certain services in all their products?

maquiscat said:

Why stop at the employer? Why should the insurance company itself be required to inculcated certain services in all their products?

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I am sure they exclude a large number of services in their plans and charge more for certain ones

maquiscat said:

Why stop at the employer? Why should the insurance company itself be required to inculcated certain services in all their products?

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HMOs sell a product, and yes...they should have the right to not sell certain products, or reimburse for certain services. if an HMO doesn't want to cover birth control pills, I don't think they should be forced to sell such a product. yes, I guess this puts me in conflict with Obama.

no one can force anyone, to sell something....unless the thing has clearly safety purposes, like seatbelts & airbags. govt. has the right to require things that are of a purely safety nature.

however, employers of people....are different. they have a responsibility to their employees, that HMOs do not.

The power to tax/regulate is the power to destroy, and should be exercised most judiciously.
Governments are at their best, a necessary evil.

Thunder said:

HMOs sell a product, and yes...they should have the right to not sell certain products, or reimburse for certain services. if an HMO doesn't want to cover birth control pills, I don't think they should be forced to sell such a product. yes, I guess this puts me in conflict with Obama.

no one can force anyone, to sell something....unless the thing has clearly safety purposes, like seatbelts & airbags. govt. has the right to require things that are of a purely safety nature.

however, employers of people....are different. they have a responsibility to their employees, that HMOs do not.

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They have a responsibility to their employees involving not mistreating them at the workplace or creating unnecessarily unsafe working conditions. That is part of their employment.

Health coverage is entirely voluntary. It's not the responsibility of the employer, period. That it has become a common practice does not make it an inherent responsibility of being an employer.

cpwill said:

I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.

Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?

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If it is a privately owned business, no. They shouldn't have the right to force a grocer to carry any particular item.

Sharia law would be so blatantly unconstitutional that it is difficult to see how it could ever be implemented in the U...what?

Asset forfeiture?
Patriot Act?
Indefinite detention without trial?

OMG! Anything is possible!

No, they should, and do, carry whatever products they want. If we want the government to concentrate more on foods, perhaps we should up the funds for FDA inspections, better checking for contaminated meats and produce. Remember, when the republicans wanted to put FDA food inspection on the chopping block, not long ago?

Harshaw said:

They have a responsibility to their employees involving not mistreating them at the workplace or creating unnecessarily unsafe working conditions. That is part of their employment.

Health coverage is entirely voluntary. It's not the responsibility of the employer, period. That it has become a common practice does not make it an inherent responsibility of being an employer.

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you might be right.

that's why we should government funded health insurance.

Thunder said:

you might be right.

that's why we should government funded health insurance.

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Quite a few try to make this argument. It doesn't wash.

cpwill said:

I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.

Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?

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NO, of course not...
And our government has never done anything of the kind.
So why is this being asked ???

samsmart said:

Well it depends.

It could be that I have a lot of opportunities with regards to store selection so I can just merely go to another store and buy pork if I need to.

But if I live in an isolated area in which I don't have much opportunity of store selection and the only convenient store is owned by a Muslim who refuses to sell pork even when beef and chicken prices has risen so high I can't afford to buy them and I'm allergic to seafood, then I don't see why my health should suffer because of someone else's religious views are limiting my choice.

And, if that's the case, I'm sure as hell going to vote to get rid of that limitation some how.

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It doesn't get much more liberal than this. You have to be kidding! You can move if your health requires it. What if there is no hospital, you going to make "them" build one for you?

samsmart said:

No, so the U.S. government should nationalize food distribution in order to ensure that every American has the opportunity to get the sustenance they need and want within their limits so that people's choices on the type of food available for them to buy, which may be limited in some areas due to a small pool of places to choose from, isn't restricted by the religious beliefs of store owners.

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samsmart said:

Well it depends.

It could be that I have a lot of opportunities with regards to store selection so I can just merely go to another store and buy pork if I need to.

But if I live in an isolated area in which I don't have much opportunity of store selection and the only convenient store is owned by a Muslim who refuses to sell pork even when beef and chicken prices has risen so high I can't afford to buy them and I'm allergic to seafood, then I don't see why my health should suffer because of someone else's religious views are limiting my choice.

And, if that's the case, I'm sure as hell going to vote to get rid of that limitation some how.

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Mega likes for amazingly well done satire that shows the absurdity of the thought process. If not satire.......wow. Just...wow.

No they shouldn't force a shop owner to sell pork. Then again, they shouldn't force a business to provide a health care plan that provides contraceptives. Sadly what they shouldn't do doesn't always jive with what they do do.

Zyphlin said:

Mega likes for amazingly well done satire that shows the absurdity of the thought process. If not satire.......wow. Just...wow.

No they shouldn't force a shop owner to sell pork. Then again, they shouldn't force a business to provide a health care plan that provides contraceptives. Sadly what they shouldn't do doesn't always jive with what they do do.

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Health insurance as provided by an employer is considered as part of what the employee is being paid for their labor. The insurance company is the party that would be mandated to provided birth control not the employer, in fact the employer has no say so in how the private insurance company runs their business. The contract is between the insurance company and they employee receiving the healthcare.

The employer has no right to know what exactly the employee is doing in their free time. Privacy laws enforce the confidentiality of the patient and their right to obtain medical care without the knowledge of the employer. If an employee is using birth control it is none of the employers business according to the law.

Allowing such restrictions is dangerous and hedges liberty extremely. AN employer could abuse such restrictions by simply denying medical treatment that would have saved an employees life for whatever reasons. Ones employer is not your HMO.