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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I can reason on the first point.

    SB, if a Traditionally Christian business turned down a homosexual/transvestite, you've got an epic news story. If said business turns down a person based on the business's beliefs, that person will complain and sue.
    Well, I'll put it this way. Social factors come into play here. If a homosexual wants to apply for a job where the business owner or the boss dislikes homosexuals, social (as opposed to legal factors) will probably compel that person to look for employment elsewhere. Now, on the off chance that the individual still wants to work there, yes, he can sue if he can prove discrimination (which btw is very hard to prove).

    I never argued that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to work.
    What I am arguing is that a Christian hiring a homosexual doesn't violate religious beliefs of any kind. If a Christian turns down an applicant because he is homosexual, it is because he of his personal prejudices, not because hiring that person actually violates any Christian tenet. The Bible may say that homosexuals are an abomination or whatnot, but it doesn't actually say that you can't hire them because of it. So you can't use the "hiring homosexuals violates my religious beliefs" angle.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    I don't even get what this discussion is about. If a muslim thinks he can make money selling pork and alcohol, he will do that. Just like catholic pharmacists who own their own pharmacy will dispense birth control if it helps them make money. This discussion is idiotic. Now head over to your local liquor store and get a ham sandwich and bud light. Actually the guy that the local 7-11 here is hindu and he sells a ton of beef.
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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What I am arguing is that a Christian hiring a homosexual doesn't violate religious beliefs of any kind. If a Christian turns down an applicant because he is homosexual, it is because he of his personal prejudices, not because hiring that person actually violates any Christian tenet. The Bible may say that homosexuals are an abomination or whatnot, but it doesn't actually say that you can't hire them because of it. So you can't use the "hiring homosexuals violates my religious beliefs" angle.
    I don't see how that is. The Bible speaks of shunning homosexuals, so how is hiring a homosexual for fear of being sued "shunning"?

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't see how that is. The Bible speaks of shunning homosexuals, so how is hiring a homosexual for fear of being sued "shunning"?
    The Christian commandment is Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. You should read the bible.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    The Christian commandment is Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. You should read the bible.
    Perhaps it is you who should read the Bible, instead of just focusing on one commandment.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Perhaps it is you who should read the Bible, instead of just focusing on one commandment.
    I am not a Jew living in the bronze age. If one claims to be a Christian it is the command of Christ that matters. That is the sole command of Christ.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    On the pork issue itself, no, I don't think government should force Muslim businesses to stock pork. However, I also think Christian businesses should be able to hire people based on their religious morals.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    I am not a Jew living in the bronze age. If one claims to be a Christian it is the command of Christ that matters. That is the sole command of Christ.
    Who is talking about a Jew living in the Bronze Age?

    You seem to think only the red text in the Bible is acceptable.

    You'd be completely wrong.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Who is talking about a Jew living in the Bronze Age?

    You seem to think only the red text in the Bible is acceptable.

    You'd be completely wrong.

    The red text is the most important. Followed by the rest of the New Testament. The old testament or Law does not apply to Christians.

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    Re: Force Muslim Grocers to Carry Pork

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    The red text is the most important. Followed by the rest of the New Testament. The old testament or Law does not apply to Christians.
    Jesus quoted and referenced the OT countless times. The OT is the Gospel. The Law was never supposed to save, but serves other purposes.
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