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Opinions on Homosexuality

Are you for or against gay rights?

  • For Gay Rights

    Votes: 61 95.3%

  • Against Gay Rights

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Total voters
    64
Viktyr Korimir said:
I support equal marriage and kinship rights for homosexuals, and for age-of-consent laws to be equivalent for heterosexual and homosexual sex. Beyond that, I can't think of any other "gay rights" that gays require or that I would support
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A lot of people say this and don't that homosexuals do not have the same rights that heterosexuals, and there are no "extra rights". There is no federal law against housing discrimination that protects homosexuals, several states and municipalities have their own laws, but for the most part if you are gay a landlod can say you may not rent or you can be refused a loan for housing etc...

There are few employment laws explicity protecting homosexuals, there are other laws that they can argue with (ex. sexual harrassment) but there is no guarantee that they will stand up.

There are also no protections in place in cases of medical care (unless it comes to federal dollars) for visitation, rights to make medical decisions. The parties involved must have power of attorney, healthcare proxies etc.. If these are not in place then homosexuals do not have the rights as heterosexuals.

Some federal laws have been enacted to protect them from discrimination in FEDERAL housing and employment, but nothing to stop the private sector.

These are the rights that heterosexuals have. They are not "extra" rights.
 
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KnowYourRights! said:
What is your opinion on homosexuality? What are your beliefs and why?

I personally believe that homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals. If an attraction to the same gender makes someone happy who are you to tell them that it's wrong? If it makes them happy why do you want to interfere with that? Just because someone may have a different preference than you do that doesn't make them wrong. For those of you who oppose homosexuality I have a question for you. How would you feel if being gay was the "normal" thing and homosexuals were discriminating against you and telling you that your preference is wrong? Put yourself into their shoes and just consider what they go through. Homosexuals are people too and they deserve every right that a heterosexual has. Let them be together, let them get married, let them raise children, and let them be happy.
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The poll is too narrowly construed with too few options. Impossible to express any nuance of opinion, just on/off.
 
Goshin said:
The poll is too narrowly construed with too few options. Impossible to express any nuance of opinion, just on/off.
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Maybe thats the way it should be. We always get into nuances when talking about gay rights. But in the end you are either for ALL gay rights or against gay rights. Even if you agree with them having some rights, if you think that they shouldn't have a "certain" right then you are ultimately against gay rights.

Sometimes, simpler is better.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Maybe thats the way it should be. We always get into nuances when talking about gay rights. But in the end you are either for ALL gay rights or against gay rights. Even if you agree with them having some rights, if you think that they shouldn't have a "certain" right then you are ultimately against gay rights.

Sometimes, simpler is better.
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Perfect is the enemy of good.

This would make me an "enemy of gay rights" simply because I decline to support gay marriage, and oppose special protections like hate-crime laws, I guess.

Oh well.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Maybe thats the way it should be. We always get into nuances when talking about gay rights. But in the end you are either for ALL gay rights or against gay rights. Even if you agree with them having some rights, if you think that they shouldn't have a "certain" right then you are ultimately against gay rights.

Sometimes, simpler is better.
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Either/or, eh?
 
Goshin said:
Perfect is the enemy of good.

This would make me an "enemy of gay rights" simply because I decline to support gay marriage, and oppose special protections like hate-crime laws, I guess.

Oh well.
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First: There is a difference between "declining to support" and actively voting against. Which are you? If you actively vote against it (or would) then yes you are against gay rights. If not then you are not against gay rights. Its like me with abortion, I personally am against it, but I will never vote on a law that tries to ban it.

Second: Hate crime laws are a whole different ball of wax. While hate crime laws are meant to protect certain groups they are not designed to deny the rights of others or even give special rights. They are simply laws that give a harsher sentence for attacking X group/person.
 
So, exactly what is "gay" about them ?
A lifetime of facing sneers to outright hatred ? ... even death...
And the question is utterly stupid....so - no vote !
The disabled, disabled in any way, must have their rights.
To take them away is the height of hatred and fear...and cowardness.
By "disabled", I mean anyone other than "perfect"..
 
I should note that there are times when it is perfectly acceptable to deny a right to a person/group. Example: child marriages. (and i'm not going to bother explaining why it is ok to deny child marriages because if I have to explain then you need your head examined!)
 
Kal'Stang said:
I should note that there are times when it is perfectly acceptable to deny a right to a person/group. Example: child marriages. (and i'm not going to bother explaining why it is ok to deny child marriages because if I have to explain then you need your head examined!)
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:eek: you mean 10 year olds or 16 year olds
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
I support equal marriage and kinship rights for homosexuals, and for age-of-consent laws to be equivalent for heterosexual and homosexual sex. Beyond that, I can't think of any other "gay rights" that gays require or that I would support.

But I'll confess, I have yet to see a "gay pride parade" that didn't make me long for the days of attack dogs and firehoses. There are always hundreds or thousands of respectable men and women marching in decent clothes with their partners-- and a bunch of goddamned perverts running around naked, or wearing S&M gear, or just generally being offensive to moral order. And the decent family queers put up with them because they're "fighting for the same cause".
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And you call yourself a "Progressive" ??
Well, at least you are honest...
And, when are we going to see a cancer sufferers rights parade ???
We need a more intelligent people.
I for one find the "moral order" to be offensive !
 
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Kal'Stang said:
First: There is a difference between "declining to support" and actively voting against. Which are you? If you actively vote against it (or would) then yes you are against gay rights. If not then you are not against gay rights. Its like me with abortion, I personally am against it, but I will never vote on a law that tries to ban it.
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Well first of all I've never had an opportunity to vote on the issues directly, and don't know that I ever will. Because of my religious beliefs I am obligated to view homosexual marriage as a contradiction in terms and cannot support it; if I were faced with voting "for or against" directly, I would probably have to vote against. Contrariwise I would probably vote 'yes' to civil unions; my objection is applying the term 'marriage' to such unions.

It is, however, not a major issue to me. I am largely indifferent to what a candidate's position on SSM is and "opposition to SSM" is not one of my criteria for whether I will vote for a candidate. Frankly I think there are far more important things to worry about when voting and it doesn't even reach my Top 20 Things I Want To Know About A Candidate before casting my ballot.


Second: Hate crime laws are a whole different ball of wax. While hate crime laws are meant to protect certain groups they are not designed to deny the rights of others or even give special rights. They are simply laws that give a harsher sentence for attacking X group/person.
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I do not believe in giving any group special protections. If someone assaults me violently and gets 5 years, there is no reason that an assault of similar severity against a gay man accompanied by anti-gay epithets should result in a 20 year sentence for HIS attacker.... that is not justice in a free country. Crime is crime and violence is violence.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I should note that there are times when it is perfectly acceptable to deny a right to a person/group. Example: child marriages. (and i'm not going to bother explaining why it is ok to deny child marriages because if I have to explain then you need your head examined!)
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And there are still societies on this planet where children are "married".
Rights cannot be absolute and unlimited, obviously.
There are a great many men who are offended by the very idea of "gay" marriage , this includes me... but to vote against it ???
Why is our government even involved in marriage ?
I say - if two people or even a man and his horse wish to share the same bed - so be it...
But, as far as children go ....there has to be a limit......
 
My views are pretty simple.

1) According to Traditional Christianity, I perceive homosexuality as a sin.

2) You are to hate the sin, not the sinner.

3) I don't support gay marriage, but I don't oppose it, either. If there was critical data I could use, I could change to oppose it. Some people say they don't oppose gay marriage because we're not a theocracy, but what exactly is a theocracy?

4) I have no problem with them adopting/whatever. However, the nuclear family is important, and not something, IMHO, a gay couple can give.

5) Having a gay cousin and a bisexual cousin, we've had good, respectful discussions on it. It'd be great if more people could be respectful when discussing this issue and not flip-out, per se.
 
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I do not see how someone being gay hurts heterosexual relationships or society
 
Autumn said:
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I do not see how someone being gay hurts heterosexual relationships or society
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It's not about hurting heterosexual relationships. Those who are against homosexuality/gay marriage seem to see it as a warping of our country's moral fiber and marriage.
 
Wake said:
It's not about hurting heterosexual relationships. Those who are against homosexuality/gay marriage seem to see it as a warping of our country's moral fiber and marriage.
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A completely subject judgment that is not based on any objective evidence whatsoever, but is rather based upon religious attitudes, many of which are inherently irrational.
 
I support anti-discrimination laws to protect gays.

However, at this point, I only support domestic partnership & civil union laws for gays. Not marriage.

however, they should have the same rights..as married couples.
 
Goshin said:
Well first of all I've never had an opportunity to vote on the issues directly, and don't know that I ever will. Because of my religious beliefs I am obligated to view homosexual marriage as a contradiction in terms and cannot support it; if I were faced with voting "for or against" directly, I would probably have to vote against. Contrariwise I would probably vote 'yes' to civil unions; my objection is applying the term 'marriage' to such unions.

It is, however, not a major issue to me. I am largely indifferent to what a candidate's position on SSM is and "opposition to SSM" is not one of my criteria for whether I will vote for a candidate. Frankly I think there are far more important things to worry about when voting and it doesn't even reach my Top 20 Things I Want To Know About A Candidate before casting my ballot.




I do not believe in giving any group special protections. If someone assaults me violently and gets 5 years, there is no reason that an assault of similar severity against a gay man accompanied by anti-gay epithets should result in a 20 year sentence for HIS attacker.... that is not justice in a free country. Crime is crime and violence is violence.
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The only objection I have here is saying that you are obligated because of your religious beliefs to not support it, and by your following sentence I can only assume that is also the reason that you would vote against it.

Just because you are a part of something does not mean that you are obligated to do everything that you are a part of. I am a part of the US yet I am under no obligation to support everything that the US does or says.
 
Thunder said:
I support anti-discrimination laws to protect gays.

However, at this point, I only support domestic partnership & civil union laws for gays. Not marriage.

however, they should have the same rights..as married couples.
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I don't understand this. If you think that gays should have the same rights and privileges as straight couples, doesn't that mean you support gay marriage in all but name only? What's the hold up?
 
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