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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I refuse to vote as they are both ****ed up
    the best response so far

    here is accentuation of your point


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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post

    For the sake of this poll, Nazism is considered part of Fascism.

    Both are horrible! But in this case I think Fascism/Nazism is worse, for obvious reasons.

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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Both are horrible! But in this case I think Fascism/Nazism is worse, for obvious reasons.

    communism killed a lot more people than the Fascist scum did but in all reality-Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler are slightly different strains of the same disease

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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    I would say communism is worse if we are examining them ideologically. Neither have been practiced with great long term success recently (but what system has?)

    Ideally I'd rather have a singular ruler surrounded by people of skill, intelligence, and motivation making decisions for society and implementing the tools for society to successfully pursue those goals, and citizens that worked their way up via some sort of meritocracy. The commie lovers point to criticisms of the Soviet Union and say its not how communism should work, but are all too quick to throw all the negativity of past fascist regimes at the feet of the "system" rather than the disturbing judgement of the individuals in power themselves.

    People may be uncomfortable with the idea of fascism, as it does imply some sort of aristocratic rule, but I believe mob rule is even more dangerous.
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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    While as a libertarian I am vehemently opposed to fascism, I still think it gets an unfairly bad rap relative to other ideologies just because of the whole 'sterilization and murder of Jews' thing.
    It is even more unfair because those racist policies-- that met with great resistance, even from within the Fascist Party-- were National Socialist policies that the Nazi government openly and admiringly stole from the Progressive movement that was running the American government at the time. I am frequently criticized as being unamerican or even anti-American for supporting political movements that are demonized for having employed policies that America invented.

    Which isn't to say that I am the least bit sympathetic to racist policies today. I am a civic nationalist, in the proud tradition of Theodore Roosevelt and, as the original Fascist, Benito Mussolini himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Fascism is at it's core a belief in national an racial/cultural superiority. There's no reedeming qualities about fascism or even ideologically attractive views.
    The redeeming quality of a belief in cultural superiority is the driving ambition to maintain that superiority and to prove it, time and time again, for as long as the nation exists. That may involve a lot of wars and the occasional genocide, but nearly every major technological advance-- from the first Roman highways to the Internet-- was born from this process. This is how human civilization and the human species grow, and growth demands pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    That is I think it is more realistic for people to work together to mutual aid than for a benevolent autocrat to guide a nation into prosperity.

    The reason why is because if a group fails then only that group fails. If an autocrat fails then the whole nation fails.
    Every society has autocratic leaders whose moral character shapes the face of the nation. Liberal democracy does not depose those rulers or eliminate their power-- it only hides them from the public view and shelters them from accountability for their actions.

    A nation can only be prosperous when it is moral, and a nation can only be moral when it is guided by moral leadership.

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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    You imply the only purpose of production is profit.
    And frankly a society is incentivized to produce as much as you and I are incentivized to eat.
    A country with no motive beyond a profit motive is no society at all.

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    There must be income generated (profit)- otherwise there are no resources to pay for the necessities of the people.
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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Fascism by far is the more dangerous as it speaks to a compulsory forgetting of oneself under oppression. Communism as an economic model seems to count the individual, albeit a cog, as an important aspect of the whole.

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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Explain further, please.
    Very simply Communism is Totalitarianism sans ethics. Fascism is it with ethics and morals.

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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Very simply Communism is Totalitarianism sans ethics. Fascism is it with ethics and morals.
    As long as those ethics and morals make it okay to treat those who disagree with you as unworthy of rights.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Which is worse IYHO: fascism or communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Very simply Communism is Totalitarianism sans ethics. Fascism is it with ethics and morals.
    You mean ethics and morals like murdering ethnic minorities and gassing handicapped people to death?
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