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  • Fairness

    5 17.24%
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Thread: Freedom Or Fairness

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    Freedom Or Fairness

    Choose which ye shall serve.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    False dichotomy.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Choose which ye shall serve.
    I don't get it, and I don't think anyone else does either.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    It's a false dichotomy as Helix said. In addition, I don't think fairness can be had without freedom. I don't think freedom can be had without fairness. Consequently, if one cannot exist without the other, then one cannot choose between the two. I'm writing this on the assumption that you're talking about freedom or fairness for all of society, but if not, oops.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    False dichotomy.
    confirmed elusion
    “Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.” ― Ron Paul
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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    This could be interesting. Its possible we're about to see a perfect example of partisanship and division, and this will be an especially pure division because the original question has so many possible meanings. I wonder if people are going to start dividing into two camps, where one argues for one definition of the words and another argues for a different definition. For example, one camp could argue fairness means fairness under the law while another could argue that fairness means something more like communism where everyone's lives are equal.

    My opinion is that as it stands now, the question is so vague its meaningless. What exactly the OP means by each of his choices is anyone's guess. So we are going to apply our own definitions to those words and argue as if that's the real meaning, OR we are going to see someone who we don't like or has an opposing political lean and argue against whatever they say because we know we disagree with them by default.

    Going to be interesting. So far we got MarineTpartier, throwing the first blow, I wonder if other self described conservatives will follow his lead naturally. And I wonder if self described liberals, or at least those who disagree with conservatives, will follow the idea that its a False dichotomy because its the natural opposing position.
    Last edited by Wiseone; 02-12-12 at 10:04 AM.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    I believe what the OP is suggesting with his choices (and what I believe) is the current attitude of taxing the rich to redispense the wealth. Thereby providing a "fair" environment for all. Fair meaning no one person or group of people exceeds another person or group's means or lifestyle. The demonization of the rich is a despicable act by elitists who themselves belong to the same "class". Then, like lemmings, the people who support these hypocrites fall in line and believe in the rhetoric. Similarly, I believe what the OP is suggesting is that other groups believe in survival of the fittest. As if we, as human beings, do not have the responsibility of caring for our fellow man simply because they are "lazy" and got themselves into the mess. That we should allow them to bleed out in the ditch, die of starvation in an abandoned lot, or freeze to death in an alley. As the Bible says, may it never be! I do believe we have an obligation to help the poor and the needy. I also believe we have an obligation to teach them how to care for themselves and dig themselves out of the hole they are in. The thing that disturbs me the most is the amount of groups that help foreign countries while we need so much help here. These are the same people that will demand we stop our "occupation" of Afghanistan and various other countries. Their choice to help a foreign countries before their own is reverse neo-conservatism. The idea that these humanitarians "occupy" other countries to assist them while we struggle at home is no better than us "occupying" a country militarily to force them to become a republic while we struggle economically. Obviously, this version of fairness is very different from what previous posters have suggested and VERY different from what others believe freedom is.
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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Choose which ye shall serve.
    Are you drunk again?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    False dichotomy.
    Agreed.

    Freedom comes in many forms, fairness being one of them.

    Indeed, this is the whole idea behind the concept of equality before the law and due process.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Are you drunk again?

    His spelling is not mixed up, so maybe he's just high.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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