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  • Freedom

    23 79.31%
  • Fairness

    5 17.24%
  • Uniformity

    1 3.45%
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Thread: Freedom Or Fairness

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not at all. fairness has been the goal of many a totalitarian ideology.
    You see the goal. I concede the goal. But... can they actually pull it off? That, the end result, is what I said.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    well it's more of an "intent" question.... you can't ever really achieve full fairness.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Uniformity. Freedom and Fairness are both Red Herrings. Freedom is worthless when it allows people to act in an inappropriate manner and Fairness is contrary to every bit of the natural world. Only Uniformity is a useful system for maintainance of society.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Freedom and Fairness are not muturally exclusive, and fairness is impossible to actual quantify and define. No answer.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    See, that is the kind of thing that I was trying to get people to enunciate.



    Mind you, this particular instance I believe is horribly wrong (freedom precursors fairness, and it is certainly not inherently fair), but at least Paschendale got the point.
    I think we all understand what you mean by freedom, but how do you define "fairness"? Is "fair" an equal outcome for everyone, or everyone having equal opportunity, or is it something else?
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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Uniformity. Freedom and Fairness are both Red Herrings. Freedom is worthless when it allows people to act in an inappropriate manner and Fairness is contrary to every bit of the natural world. Only Uniformity is a useful system for maintainance of society.
    Uniformity is even more broad than either freedom or fairness.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Honestly the two can be the same thing. Without fairness there can be no true freedom. If there was no minimum wage fairness, discrimination law fairness, a right to work in fair and healthly conditions fairness, and if there was no way to the pusuit of happiness fairness there is no freedom you are just a slave to labor to barely survive in tyranny.
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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    These kinds of dichotomies aren't practical. What's the point of freedom if it isn't fair? What's the point in fairness if you're not free? You may as well choose between food or water.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    I as I stated before, I don't think you can have one without the other. That's has a lot to do with the way I interpret each word, I'm sure. But, looking at it from a different aspect, you could ask: Are we discussing freedom of opportunity, or fairness of results? Those two are not necessarily the same as the other.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Uniformity. Freedom and Fairness are both Red Herrings. Freedom is worthless when it allows people to act in an inappropriate manner and Fairness is contrary to every bit of the natural world. Only Uniformity is a useful system for maintainance of society.
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