View Poll Results: Which One Trumps The Other

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  • Freedom

    23 79.31%
  • Fairness

    5 17.24%
  • Uniformity

    1 3.45%
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Thread: Freedom Or Fairness

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Fairness begets freedom. And freedom, real freedom, is pretty fair.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    One liners like this really need to be banned.

    If you want to have a constructive discussion, explain yourself. Otherwise, you're just making noise.
    There's no need for a paragraph when a one liner is all that's needed. The poll wasn't made to solicit opinions and discussion. It was to make a point and a fallacious one at that given the options provided.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Every poll should have a default option of "Other" whether the pollster likes it or not.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    You cannot have freedom without fairness.

    Theoretically, you could have fairness without freedom, but it would be so unlikely as to be pretty much impossible as well.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    This is in relation to requiring the Catholic church to provide birth control coverage to their employees? You said this in your Obama vs. Catholics thread.
    It's what gave me the idea.




    It's interesting how many people will go to such lenghts to declare that there are no hard decisions.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You cannot have freedom without fairness.
    I would advise you to go back and read your Locke.


    Theoretically, you could have fairness without freedom, but it would be so unlikely as to be pretty much impossible as well.
    not at all. fairness has been the goal of many a totalitarian ideology.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You raise some interesting points.

    I am pretty much center-right, perhaps I can expand on this a bit.

    This question can be construed as a false dichotomy, or as a mutually exclusive choice, but I don't think either of those views is entirely correct.... just like the question "freedom or order?" or "freedom or security?"
    precisely, which is explicitly why this question asks which one of these two items trumps the other, rather than depicting them as mutually exclusive. When deciding between the two, which one is given the benefit of assumption? Do you have to demonstrate that in this instance it is better to be free than fair, or do you have to demonstrate that in this instance it is better to be fair than free.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    fairness has been the goal of many a totalitarian ideology.
    Depends how you define goal. A list of stuff we find good is hardly a set of goals.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Fairness begets freedom.
    See, that is the kind of thing that I was trying to get people to enunciate.

    And freedom, real freedom, is pretty fair.
    Mind you, this particular instance I believe is horribly wrong (freedom precursors fairness, and it is certainly not inherently fair), but at least Paschendale got the point.

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    Re: Freedom Or Fairness

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Depends how you define goal. A list of stuff we find good is hardly a set of goals.
    From Each According To His Abilities To Each According To His Needs is certainly an elevating of Fairness in a manner that destroys freedom.

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