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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Well considering 20% of those infected with HIV in America dont actually know that they are infected, through the spread of this infection with sex, my point stands - this poses an inevitable threat to society as a whole if the situation isnt addressed starting from one of the primary reasons people get HIV - dirty needles.

    Thats where the syringe exchange program comes in. And the ignoramus elite in congress believe ignoring the situation rectifies is.

    Many Americans With HIV Don't Know They Have It : NPR
    Okay- just for grins- pretend that I have a friend who is an addict and a needle-user. As long as I'm not an addict, and am not using his needles, nor having sex with him, there is virtually no chance that I am going to contract aids from him/her.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Okay- just for grins- pretend that I have a friend who is an addict and a needle-user. As long as I'm not an addict, and am not using his needles, nor having sex with him, there is virtually no chance that I am going to contract aids from him/her.
    I agree with that. My stepson has it. One drunken evening in a bar shortly after breaking up with his girlfriend is all it took. Yep, that's the kind of, how did you put it earlier?, "activities which facilitate the spread of HIV" that we need to put a stop to! He was young, drunk, and horny - every reason to put him in his place!
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I agree with that. My stepson has it. One drunken evening in a bar shortly after breaking up with his girlfriend is all it took.

    Yep, that's the kind of, how did you put it earlier?, "activities which facilitate the spread of HIV" that we need to put a stop to! He was young, drunk, and horny - every reason to put him in his place!
    It has nothing to do with putting someone in their place. It's just the facts of life, regardless of your feelings about it.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It has nothing to do with putting someone in their place. It's just the facts of life, regardless of your feelings about it.
    Yes, it was a threat to a young American male that was depressed. I guess since you're female and no doubt have never been drunk that you can't understand it.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yes, it was a threat to a young American male that was depressed. I guess since you're female and no doubt have never been drunk that you can't understand it.
    Your guess would be very wrong. I have no problem understanding the stupid and irrational things people do out of emotional pain. This still doesn't change the fact that they are risky, and with risk, comes the possibility of bad results.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Your guess would be very wrong. I have no problem understanding the stupid and irrational things people do out of emotional pain. This still doesn't change the fact that they are risky, and with risk, comes the possibility of bad results.
    So you're saying that because it's irrational behavior (even though it's 100% natural) that we should do nothing to mitigate the risk? Then we should simply insist that all meats are thoroughly cooked and quit worrying about germs in meat. If it's properly cooked - the rational choice - then there's no risk and if you're stupid enough to eat your steak medium rare, well, you knew the possible consequences.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So you're saying that because it's irrational behavior (even though it's 100% natural) that we should do nothing to mitigate the risk? Then we should simply insist that all meats are thoroughly cooked and quit worrying about germs in meat. If it's properly cooked - the rational choice - then there's no risk and if you're stupid enough to eat your steak medium rare, well, you knew the possible consequences.
    I'm saying that it's not the responsibility of society at large to mitigate risk for those who participate in risky behaviors, when it's largely symbolic in nature. People do stupid **** and they make bad choices, and it seems to be normally due to emotional factors. It's a chance that people take when they engage in such choices, and it's not the fault of society nor the responsibility of society to mitigate that risk. If you want to live a risk-free life, then the way to do that is to avoid risky behaviors. It's a very simple concept to grasp.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm saying that it's not the responsibility of society at large to mitigate risk for those who participate in risky behaviors, when it's largely symbolic in nature. People do stupid **** and they make bad choices, and it seems to be normally due to emotional factors. It's a chance that people take when they engage in such choices, and it's not the fault of society nor the responsibility of society to mitigate that risk. If you want to live a risk-free life, then the way to do that is to avoid risky behaviors. It's a very simple concept to grasp.
    it's the right thing to do, because it costs us a lot of money to care for people with aids. much more than the cost of a syringe.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's the right thing to do, because it costs us a lot of money to care for people with aids. much more than the cost of a syringe.
    It's not about the *right thing to do*. Do you know many needle addicts? I've had friends who died from overdoses. Addicts aren't thinking about what's the reasonable or smart thing to do, or how they can be a "safe" needle-user. They want the fix. Plain and simple. It's the fix that they want over all else in their lives. Addiction over-rides just about any intelligence they have. They are self-destructive to the point that they will readily use whatever is available to help them alter reality and the world as it is. Needle exchange programs may make use collectively feel good about our intentions, but they don't in any way address the very real problem.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Do you support the termination of the syringe-exchange program?
    No...not at all. It's basically burying your head in the sand in regards to reality. The eradication of AIDS is important and this is a low cost way to lower it with a high risk population.
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