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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes it should. People don't have the right to use dangerous substances in order to obtain a high.

    It's not necessary.

    It's completely illogical for us to have a medical model that says certain drugs need to be prescribed and monitored (like cholesterol meds, diabetes meds, etc) due to the potential dangers while allowing people to use drugs like crack and heroine because they need/want a high.

    Drug addicts and users are a burden upon society
    and eventually a burden upon healthcare.
    Says who?

    If the legality of actions were determined by necessity then almost everything would be criminalized.

    Most of that stems from legal implications if a medical professional prescribes a substance that induces harm upon a patient. Nobody is claiming that recreational drugs (non medical/non-prescribed) are beneficial to ones health. It's simply a matter of free will. It's not illegal for an individual to take an excess of cholesterol meds/sleeping pills to induce self-harm, so why the double standard?

    That's a subjective point of view that most agree with, but then again you could apply that to alchoholics, the morbidly obese, individuals who drive fast cars, or engage in action sports, etc. etc.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    To solve the problem I think drug offenses should be more rehab based and instead of jail time force them to pay heavy fines or do manual labor in prison while getting through a rehab program.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    There are, actually, public good that happens when someone uses a substance to get high.

    Recreational drugs are used as a coping mechanism for stress. People face different levels of stress throughout their lives. People have to find ways to cope with that stress.

    There are many methods of doing so, and a number are extremely safe. Take a hot bath. Listen to music. Watch television.

    But different levels of stress require different levels of coping with them. And extremely stressful situation often require extremely drastic methods of coping with that stress.

    Which is why many people use recreational drugs at different levels.

    I do physical labor. I have body aches and pains many days because of it. To alleviate that stress sometimes I will drink a beer when I get home. The level I drink is my choice.

    But I should also be able to smoke a joint if I want in order to relax. Or, if I feel the need, shoot myself up with heroin. Or use morphine. Or use meth.

    And that doesn't even count the use of recreational drugs for spiritual use, such as LSD or ecstasy for "mind expanding" purposes.

    And the cost to the public to educate me and allow me that choice is much less than the cost to the public to prevent me from doing so.
    There are legal coping mechanisms for stress. If someone is stressed to the point of it taking a toll on their lives they can see a therapist who will clinically manage their stress with therapy and possibly legal medications that are designed for stress/anxiety.

    Being stressed is not a valid reason for using very hard drugs. What do you do when stress treatment turns into addiction which leads to withdrawal which leads to a constant need to use the drug in order to keep withdrawal away? What about when their organs rot or they have health complications? I can understand the argument behind marijuana, but heroine, morphine, and especially meth should never, ever be legalized (especially under the argument that people have a right to use it to alleviate stress).

    Like I said. If someone's stress level is to the point that it takes a toll on their personal lives/they cannot manage it someone can see a therapist who will try non-prescription stress management therapies and move towards a prescription if those methods don't work. We've already got medications specifically formulated for stress/anxiety that are far safer and would be monitored by healthcare professionals.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    In the United States, many people diagnosed with HIV are infected by dirty needles used to inject themselves with drugs.

    Thanks to the War on Drugs, one of the biggest demographics in US prisons are convicted drug users, in a country that has stigmatized drug use and treats addicts as criminals, treating everything but the root cause itself.

    Drug addiction is a very real thing - the prison system has thus far been ineffectual and so has every drugs policy pursued by every President since this problem began.

    But now that components of the US government want to pull the plug on the syringe-exchange program, where does that leave us? Does encouraging the use of dirty needles dissuade addicts from taking the drug? What impact will this have on rates of infection across America?

    Do you support the termination of the syringe-exchange program?

    Congressional GOP Wants To End Federal Needle Exchange Program
    People usually aren't thrown in jail just for being an addict - usually they do other things and commit other crimes that lead to arrest and conviction.

    Drug addiction is a personal choice that people make - you can't tell me it's not. They know it's unhealthy. They know it's traumatizing. They know it's immoral, they know that by using theyr'e risking their freedom, health and the livihood of family (etc) . . . and so on: And if someone wants to choose being an addict, choose to continue it, and choose to commit other crimes - the best place for them IS in the prison system.

    so - what really needs to change isn't our social unacceptance of drugs and drug use in our society - but how we *might* respond to those who are addicts and SHOW they want to be clean. . . which we do within the prison system, actually.

    For those who don't care and prove that they only intend on re-using after a jail sentence is served: continuation of jail-time is better than releasing them onto the streets to just perpetuate their drug use and *more importantly* their criminal activity. . . as it is right now.

    Needle programs just perpetuate the cycle of drug use: to lower the rate of one ailment (AIDS) they perpetuated another problem (the government supplying the vital element necessary to be an addict: the needles)

    I don't support this just as much as I don't support our ridiculous weapons programs the provide the enemy with firearms to 'track' it with a ill-perceived 'positive'
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    To solve the problem I think drug offenses should be more rehab based and instead of jail time force them to pay heavy fines or do manual labor in prison while getting through a rehab program.
    Lets look at portugal.

    Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.
    The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.


    Read more: Decriminalizing Drugs in Portugal a Success, Says Report - TIME
    As for the U.S:

    As Webb noted, the U.S. is home to 5% of the global population but 25% of its prisoners.

    Read more: Decriminalizing Drugs in Portugal a Success, Says Report - TIME
    So it is clear now that the illegalization of drugs has done nothing to help drug victims or society, but has instead created a 400 billion drugs market that helps FUND the very people who have destroyed mexico, somalia, afghanistan, colombia and of course, the World Trade Center buildings - for if it where not for drugs trafficking, Al Qaeda couldnt even exist in its current form.

    Thats the statistics on the ground, thats the reality of the destruction prohibition has - once AGAIN - caused.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Lets look at portugal.



    As for the U.S:



    So it is clear now that the illegalization of drugs has done nothing to help drug victims or society, but has instead created a 400 billion dollar black market industry FUNDING the very people who have destroyed mexico, somalia, afghanistan and of course, the World Trade Center. It is believed that if it where not for drugs trafficking, Al Qaeda couldnt even exist in its current form.
    Portugal is a tiny country with a different culture and people. We can't compare a tiny country with a nation of 300 million + with more diversity.

    We need to crack down on drug sellers and imports. Like I said, we also need to be more rehab based instead of criminal corrective based with drug abuses. Make them pay hefty fines or work labor if they can't afford them while forcing them into a rehab program.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Not without exception, but the legalization of drugs would most likely lead to easier acess to cleaner, safer paraphernalia such as needles.
    People who use steroids have no problem getting clean needles. In most places you walk into a Walgreens and take them off the shelf. No, it's the lifestyle that leads to dirty needles. Making all drugs (I'm not argueing that all drugs should be illegal) legal will not change this.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Nahh, that is just what you want him to be saying so you can argue against something.

    If drugs were legal there would not be an end around attempt to discourage use by limiting the availability of needles however.. so the instances of dirty needle usage would almost certainly decline substantially.
    Syringes are not illegal. They are not hard to aquire. You can order them on the internet. Pick them up at Walgreens. Many places like Farm and Fleet have them on the shelfs.

    No, the addictions and how that affects a person is the problem, not a lack of being able to get clean needles.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And it shouldn't be against the law to use recreational drugs. Just because something is against the law does not justify it remaining against the law. Something should be against the law because it violates the public good. And criminalization of recreational drugs does much more public harm than it does public good.
    Few things that you have to use a syringe for is a "recreational drug". Recreational is where you can choose to ingest or not.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes. If junkies wish to inject themselves with illegal drugs then that should be their business. The government I.E. we the tax payers should have no part in someone injecting themselves with illegal drugs.

    Good thinking. Why not wait till they get HIV so we can support their treatment with our tax dollars. While we are at it let's outlaw abortion and contraception so they all can have lots of kids for us to support too. There is just too much money laying around.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Good thinking. Why not wait till they get HIV so we can support their treatment with our tax dollars.
    I don't support that either.

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