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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If drugs were legal, are you saying people would no longer use dirty needles?
    Not without exception, but the legalization of drugs would most likely lead to easier acess to cleaner, safer paraphernalia such as needles.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If drugs were legal, are you saying people would no longer use dirty needles?
    Nahh, that is just what you want him to be saying so you can argue against something.

    If drugs were legal there would not be an end around attempt to discourage use by limiting the availability of needles however.. so the instances of dirty needle usage would almost certainly decline substantially.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Not without exception, but the legalization of drugs would most likely lead to easier acess to cleaner, safer paraphernalia such as needles.
    Also, it would allow drug users access to job opportunities since those caught with drugs go to jail as felons, which means they are discriminated against when they apply for jobs. Not because they're a substance abuser but because they're an ex-convict with a felony on their record.

    So what's the point of kicking these drug users off drugs when the drug conviction means they can't get a job to support them? The frustration of which tends to cause them to go back to drugs in order to cope...

    Thus the cycle perpetuates itself.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    People aren't charged with being addicted, people are charged with using an illegal substance. Addiction or not, if you use illegal drugs you break the law.
    And it shouldn't be against the law to use recreational drugs. Just because something is against the law does not justify it remaining against the law. Something should be against the law because it violates the public good. And criminalization of recreational drugs does much more public harm than it does public good.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We shouldn't be feeding into addictions or allowing for syringe exchange. Heck, they should drug test them all and send them to rehab at the exchange site. Our tax money shouldn't be going to keep those violating the law from getting a disease due to them breaking the law in the first place.
    I think the legality of their drug habit is irrelevant. Tax payers should not encourage recreational drug needle use by allowing junkies to exchange their needles or to bail them out when their habit gets them infected with a disease. The fact is junkies chose to engage in this dangerous habit,therefore they should be responsible for their own stupidity.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the legality of their drug habit is irrelevant. Tax payers should not encourage recreational drug needle use by allowing junkies to exchange their needles or to bail them out when their habit gets them infected with a disease.
    Right - taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill so they can exchange needles in order to keep infections down to a minimum.

    But taxpayers should foot the bill for the court costs to try them for drug possession and drug use. And to pay for their imprisonment. And to pay for their medical care for the abuses perpetuated on them by prisoners with more violent behaviors. And to pay for increased police presence in order to prevent those ex-convicts from committing theft just to survive when they can't get a job because of their criminal record for drug possession.

    Which then starts the taxpayers' cycle all over again...
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And it shouldn't be against the law to use recreational drugs. Just because something is against the law does not justify it remaining against the law. Something should be against the law because it violates the public good. And criminalization of recreational drugs does much more public harm than it does public good.
    Yes it should. People don't have the right to use dangerous substances in order to obtain a high. It's not necessary. It's completely illogical for us to have a medical model that says certain drugs need to be prescribed and monitored (like cholesterol meds, diabetes meds, etc) due to the potential dangers while allowing people to use drugs like crack and heroine because they need/want a high.

    Drug addicts and users are a burden upon society and eventually a burden upon healthcare. There is absolutely no public god that arises when someone uses a dangerous substance to get a high. If someone can't self treat with simvastatin because it might hurt their liver why should someone be allowed to use drugs and rot their livers out?
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    ...criminalization of recreational drugs does much more public harm than it does public good.
    precisely that ^^^

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Right - taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill so they can exchange needles in order to keep infections down to a minimum.
    I do not care if people who engage in reckless behavior get hurt because of that reckless behavior.

    But taxpayers should foot the bill for the court costs to try them for drug possession and drug use. And to pay for their imprisonment. And to pay for their medical care for the abuses perpetuated on them by prisoners with more violent behaviors. And to pay for increased police presence in order to prevent those ex-convicts from committing theft just to survive when they can't get a job because of their criminal record for drug possession.

    Which then starts the taxpayers' cycle all over again...
    I do not agree with certain recreational drugs being illegal and I find the punishments to be excessive.It amounts to making someone pays thousands of dollars for a 99 cent song or executing someone because they speed 5 miles over the speed limit. violent and non-violent offenders should be separated and in different facilities.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes it should. People don't have the right to use dangerous substances in order to obtain a high. It's not necessary. It's completely illogical for us to have a medical model that says certain drugs need to be prescribed and monitored (like cholesterol meds, diabetes meds, etc) due to the potential dangers while allowing people to use drugs like crack and heroine because they need/want a high.

    Drug addicts and users are a burden upon society and eventually a burden upon healthcare. There is absolutely no public god that arises when someone uses a dangerous substance to get a high. If someone can't self treat with simvastatin because it might hurt their liver why should someone be allowed to use drugs and rot their livers out?
    There are, actually, public good that happens when someone uses a substance to get high.

    Recreational drugs are used as a coping mechanism for stress. People face different levels of stress throughout their lives. People have to find ways to cope with that stress.

    There are many methods of doing so, and a number are extremely safe. Take a hot bath. Listen to music. Watch television.

    But different levels of stress require different levels of coping with them. And extremely stressful situation often require extremely drastic methods of coping with that stress.

    Which is why many people use recreational drugs at different levels.

    I do physical labor. I have body aches and pains many days because of it. To alleviate that stress sometimes I will drink a beer when I get home. The level I drink is my choice.

    But I should also be able to smoke a joint if I want in order to relax. Or, if I feel the need, shoot myself up with heroin. Or use morphine. Or use meth.

    And that doesn't even count the use of recreational drugs for spiritual use, such as LSD or ecstasy for "mind expanding" purposes.

    And the cost to the public to educate me and allow me that choice is much less than the cost to the public to prevent me from doing so.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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