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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Because if a leopard somehow wandered into your neighborhood your response would be to stay indoors at night when it's on the prowl? If it killed someone, well, they were stupid for going outside after dusk?
    I'm sorry, but that's absurd. People who take drugs do it to themselves. A more apt analogy would be some crazy person repeatedly stabbing themselves and expecting everyone else to keep patching them up. I say we stop patching. If they want to stab themselves, let them. Let them reap the rewards for their idiotic actions. In fact, let them take themselves completely out of the gene pool.

    People need to be responsible for their own actions. Stop coddling these idiots.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If only people had a brain, you mean?
    Wait, they'd be following a delusion, yet that delusion is yours.. and would therefore have these 'brains' as you call them.



    At least you accept it's a regressivist delusion.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm sorry, but that's absurd. People who take drugs do it to themselves. A more apt analogy would be some crazy person repeatedly stabbing themselves and expecting everyone else to keep patching them up. I say we stop patching. If they want to stab themselves, let them. Let them reap the rewards for their idiotic actions. In fact, let them take themselves completely out of the gene pool.

    People need to be responsible for their own actions. Stop coddling these idiots.
    It's about costs to society.. you see, unless we enforce a gestapo state of somesort to round them all up and execute them, they're going to use the needles which may be dirty. They also mingle amongst the public and are difficult to distinguish from other people. Since your bizzarro moral framework cannot be forced upon all of society we have to accept that people are free to ****. This may bother you but some people are hot and find other people and **** quickly after meeting eachother and for hours at a time thereafter. Some of the contraception is only in pill form and people have the freedom to lie as to when the last time they were tested for stds. So by adding a little more freedom, the freedom of getting clean needles and education on not how to die or become diseased using heroin... we can all become much freer by not having to share the increased costs in healthcare.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    It's about costs to society.. you see, unless we enforce a gestapo state of somesort to round them all up and execute them, they're going to use the needles which may be dirty. They also mingle amongst the public and are difficult to distinguish from other people. Since your bizzarro moral framework cannot be forced upon all of society we have to accept that people are free to ****. This may bother you but some people are hot and find other people and **** quickly after meeting eachother and for hours at a time thereafter. Some of the contraception is only in pill form and people have the freedom to lie as to when the last time they were tested for stds. So by adding a little more freedom, the freedom of getting clean needles and education on not how to die or become diseased using heroin... we can all become much freer by not having to share the increased costs in healthcare.
    No, actually, when you keep lowering the bar because you keep finding people who are unwilling or unable to step up and be responsible for themselves, you cost us all more money, not less. If these people would just kick the bucket, which certainly they would if they didn't get coddled, then they'd cost us a net sum of zero. That's why we have standards. You refuse to acknowledge standards.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm sorry, but that's absurd. People who take drugs do it to themselves. A more apt analogy would be some crazy person repeatedly stabbing themselves and expecting everyone else to keep patching them up. I say we stop patching. If they want to stab themselves, let them. Let them reap the rewards for their idiotic actions. In fact, let them take themselves completely out of the gene pool.
    No, actually, when you keep lowering the bar because you keep finding people who are unwilling or unable to step up and be responsible for themselves, you cost us all more money, not less. If these people would just kick the bucket, which certainly they would if they didn't get coddled, then they'd cost us a net sum of zero. That's why we have standards. You refuse to acknowledge standards.

    That's where you fail.
    If you could somehow kill every needle-using junkie in America you would still have HIV. Should we kill everyone that has ever had unprotected sex while we're at it? OK, you've still got HIV running around. Who do we kill next? How many must die in your jihad before you admit that even people who have done nothing wrong are infected, too?
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, actually, when you keep lowering the bar because you keep finding people who are unwilling or unable to step up and be responsible for themselves, you cost us all more money, not less. If these people would just kick the bucket, which certainly they would if they didn't get coddled, then they'd cost us a net sum of zero. That's why we have standards. You refuse to acknowledge standards.

    That's where you fail.
    Your standards... when you become Stalin of the USA and are endowed by the gods of repression to decide for yourself what standards should be for all humans and can enforce them maybe I'll listen. Until then you need to recognize that your solutions to the issue are either illegal or dangerous to the rest of society. To attain the net sum of zero in an aids pandemic and refusal of healthcare to those that don't meet your lofty moral standards (the irony), would that holocaust of neglect and anarchy be saaay... Hitler Sized or Stalin sized?

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    I support the legalization of every drug known to humankind. And that includes all paraphernalia used to deliver those drugs.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Okay- just for grins- pretend that I have a friend who is an addict and a needle-user. As long as I'm not an addict, and am not using his needles, nor having sex with him, there is virtually no chance that I am going to contract aids from him/her.
    But you cannot say for sure that if he was not your friend and HIV was endemic in society simply because government couldn't be bothered to control the problem, then yes, it gets to a point where it endangers everybody in society. Unfortunately, condoms are not 100% gaurentors of your sexual health, nor unfortunately is it uncommon throughout our lives to have sexual encounters without using condoms especially amongst our youth. This lack of responsibility by government is pure negligence. People with HIV are not always easy to spot, and many are even unaware of that they have it. We already see tragic cases of infection on a daily basis.

    Society needs to have offspring in order to help contribute towards its continuation - the problem of needles spreading infection is serious enough to realize that it can get to a point where HIV is widespread enough that having infected offspring is normal. With the growing problem of drug use, the increasing number of people getting infected, i think its definetly within reason to consider these scenarios.

    But perhaps above all the drain on healthcare is the biggest problem you as an American citizen will increasingly face.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    But you cannot say for sure that if he was not your friend and HIV was endemic in society simply because government couldn't be bothered to control the problem, then yes, it gets to a point where it endangers everybody in society.
    I am endangered in no way nor is there any chance I will be.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I am endangered in no way nor is there any chance I will be.
    Vegetarians pay for meat inspections and I'm just as sure they have zero chance of infection from bad meat. In fact, if we all just cooked our food correctly then there wouldn't be any contamination and we could save a ton of money. Does that mean we should stop inspecting meat plants and processing facilities?
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