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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's not about the *right thing to do*. Do you know many needle addicts? I've had friends who died from overdoses. Addicts aren't thinking about what's the reasonable or smart thing to do, or how they can be a "safe" needle-user. They want the fix. Plain and simple. It's the fix that they want over all else in their lives. Addiction over-rides just about any intelligence they have. They are self-destructive to the point that they will readily use whatever is available to help them alter reality and the world as it is. Needle exchange programs may make use collectively feel good about our intentions, but they don't in any way address the very real problem.
    Sure...nobody is making the claim that a needle exchange program reduces drug use. If someone does become clean eventually though...it may lower their chances of getting clean just to find out they have AIDS...
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's not about the *right thing to do*. Do you know many needle addicts? I've had friends who died from overdoses. Addicts aren't thinking about what's the reasonable or smart thing to do, or how they can be a "safe" needle-user. They want the fix. Plain and simple. It's the fix that they want over all else in their lives. Addiction over-rides just about any intelligence they have. They are self-destructive to the point that they will readily use whatever is available to help them alter reality and the world as it is. Needle exchange programs may make use collectively feel good about our intentions, but they don't in any way address the very real problem.
    I agree the exchange program probably won't alter the addiction but it's not meant to do that. It's meant to mitigate public risk of contracting a disease. Where that disease comes from is immaterial - or it should be. It's a public health risk and this is a relatively cheap way to mitigate it, even if it's a small percent. Think about the billions that go into flu vaccines every year. How many actual lives does that save and if they don't die they're not crippled for life so we don't have to support them forever, either, like we do with AIDS.

    Or is that what you have in mind as well, cutting all support to deal with HIV? If not then I see little difference between the exchange program and some lab spending thousands of lab-hours a year trying to find drugs to treat victims after the fact.

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    And if they're not thinking about being safe then who, exactly, is using the exchange program? Are you saying no addicts exchange their needles?
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I agree the exchange program probably won't alter the addiction but it's not meant to do that. It's meant to mitigate public risk of contracting a disease. Where that disease comes from is immaterial - or it should be. It's a public health risk and this is a relatively cheap way to mitigate it, even if it's a small percent. Think about the billions that go into flu vaccines every year. How many actual lives does that save and if they don't die they're not crippled for life so we don't have to support them forever, either, like we do with AIDS.
    I pay for my syringe when I get a flu shot.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I pay for my syringe when I get a flu shot.
    Junkies would too if they could do it legally.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I agree with that. My stepson has it. One drunken evening in a bar shortly after breaking up with his girlfriend is all it took. Yep, that's the kind of, how did you put it earlier?, "activities which facilitate the spread of HIV" that we need to put a stop to! He was young, drunk, and horny - every reason to put him in his place!
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Like it or not, there are some mistakes that once made, can never be unmade. People have to take responsibility for their actions no matter how they try to justify their actions. It sucks, but that's reality.
    Personal responsibility, yes. If she had gotten pregnant there would have been a responsibility to assume. I have no problem with that at all. But disease?

    Are we back to letting any meat into the system because if you're too stupid to adequately cook it and you get sick that's just your tough luck? But we don't do that, do we? Instead we spend millions inspecting meat and meat processing facilities, businesses spend millions to reduce biological contamination, and for what? Because people are too stupid to thoroughly cook their hamburger? No. We do it because "decent folk" are exposed to that danger, not just the gutter trash. Let's be honest, isn't that what it really comes down to?
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I pay for my syringe when I get a flu shot.
    And everyone pays when you have a serious medical incident.

    Syringe programs reduce the net cost to everyone else in the same way insurance reduces their payment for your medical procedures.

    It's fine to be against the program on moral grounds, but in terms of economic, you're a fool to want to shut down a cost saving program.
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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    I don't know about other states but here in Ohio it a crime to possess or distribute drug paraphernalia unless it is for a legitimate medical purpose. For instance, people with diabetes that need to take daily insulin injections can buy and possess syringes. So technically the workers at these needle exchange programs are breaking the law.

    People share needles simply because of supply and demand. Addicts know that sharing needles is risky but they will do it anyways if they need a fix.

    In order to prevent the transmission of disease via needle sharing I think it would make more sense to simply decriminalize paraphernalia and make syringes available over the counter. That way each junkie would buy their own syringes. They wouldn't have to share. It's not like they're prohibitively expensive. Back in the 90's when I was dating a girl who was diabetic she would buy a box of 100 syringes for less than $10 and then she would turn around and sell them to addicts for a dollar a piece. If she's getting a 100% markup then logically that means there is a supply shortage simply because they are illegal.

    If you made them available over the counter there wouldn't be an uproar about using taxpayer funds to enable drug abuse because the taxpayers would have nothing to bitch about if they are not funding it. And at the same time drug addicts wouldn't have to share tainted needles. It's a common sense win-win compromise.

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you hang out with or "date" ?junkies?
    How do you know the girl you're dating isn't getting barebacked by Jimmy the big dicked junkie when you are not around?

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    Re: Do you support the end of the syringe-exchange program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    How do you know the girl you're dating isn't getting barebacked by Jimmy the big dicked junkie when you are not around?
    Because you actually get to know someone over a long period of time before you stick a dick in them. Oh, the difficult concepts in life...
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