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Is assasination acceptable?

Should we take out Assad?

  • Oh hell yeah...end this mess

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • No...this makes us no better than he is.

    Votes: 13 68.4%
  • Only if we have the blessing of the Arab League

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • Tough Call...but someones gotta do SOMETHING!

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • Total voters
    19

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If this situation in Syria, could be dealt with by one of our special forces operations removing certain facets of the problem with deadly force, would you find the tradeoff a wise venture. In other words, if we could kill Assad to stop the ongoing slaughter of thousands, would you go along with it?
 
I'm not well read enough in this specific situation.

In a generalized sense...I absolutely endorse the use of convert, black-ops assassination by our government with the understanding by those perpetrating it that we will disavow any connection or condoning of said actions on their part should they be discovered and/or fail
 
I don't because when you do that with no strategy to post govern, you end up with a chain reaction of war and holocaust in places like the middle east.

So in essence... no that's been practically insane for the last couple centuries id reckon.
 
I'm not well read enough in this specific situation.

In a generalized sense...I absolutely endorse the use of convert, black-ops assassination by our government with the understanding by those perpetrating it that we will disavow any connection or condoning of said actions on their part should they be discovered and/or fail

"Good morning, Mr. Phelps. Your mission, Jim, should you choose to accept it. As always should any member of your IMF force be caught or killed, the secretary will disavow all knowledge of your actions. This tape will self-destruct in five seconds. Good luck Jim."

Wait. Condone assassinations when they're "convenient?"

In 1976, President Ford issued Executive Order 11905 to clarify U.S. foreign intelligence activities. The order was enacted in response to the post-Watergate revelations that the CIA had staged multiple attempts on the life of Cuban President Fidel Castro.

In a section of the order labeled "Restrictions on Intelligence Activities," Ford outlawed political assassination: Section 5(g), entitled "Prohibition on Assassination," states: "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination."

Since 1976, every U.S. president has upheld Ford's prohibition on assassinations. In 1978 President Carter issued an executive order with the chief purpose of reshaping the intelligence structure. In Section 2-305 of that order, Carter reaffirmed the U.S. prohibition on assassination.

U.S. policy on assassinations - CNN

If we condone it on others, then we cannot be surprised when it's turned on us.
 
Nothings off the table in war when done right... you don't assassinate a card holding up a house of cards.
 
I would consider actions like those taken against Bin Laden to be assassination, and in situations like that I can kinda see it as acceptable though I also find it worrying. At the level that Israel takes it, absolutely not.
 
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I have a serious problem with that type of operation. We would be making decisions for what we believe is best for the people of Syria, when Syria should be making those decisions, and acting upon them, themselves.
 
If the "Opposition" - as numb-nuts calls them - had the same support that Libya had from the US and others...then Assad would wind up being just another death statistic like Osama bin, S. Hussein, and Gaddafi...you dig? No need for a formal assassination.
 
I would consider actions like those taken against Saddam to be assassination, and in situations like that I can kinda see it as acceptable though I also find it worrying. At the level that Israel takes it, absolutely not.

Sadam? Or Bin Laden?
 
From a strictly utilitarian philosophical viewpoint, it's acceptable. From a moral one, it's up to the individual. I'd lean toward yes.
 
Sadam? Or Bin Laden?
Yeah, Obama authorized the operation for the assasinasation of UBL. Haven't heard one complaint against Obama ordering that.....
 
It's acceptable in war. It's not outside war.

We're not at war with Syria.
 
Well, in general terms, I think assassination is fine as long as it serves some sort of positive end, and you can get away with doing it.

Does assassinating Assad really do anything for us? I'm not so sure.
 
We're not at war with Syria.

We're not in the habit of declaring wars.

Well, in general terms, I think assassination is fine as long as it serves some sort of positive end, and you can get away with doing it.

Positive in what sense? Between nations the only positive act is self serving. Which begs your moral stance on the action to begin with.

There is also the aftermath of the act...
 
Positive in what sense? Between nations the only positive act is self serving. Which begs your moral stance on the action to begin with.

Yes, of course. Although just because an act is self-serving doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't serve some greater good.

There is also the aftermath of the act...

Which is why I questioned whether or not it actually makes sense to assassinate Assad.
 
Wait. Condone assassinations when they're "convenient?"

If we condone it on others, then we cannot be surprised when it's turned on us.

I wouldn't be surprised when it's turned on us now. There's not a country currently whose government has animosity toward us that I would be "Surprised" if they attempted to assassinate our political leaders.

My view on war is much like my view in regards to individual combat. If you take things off the board in regards to what you'll do to defend yourself, you're an idiot. If you expect that a real fight is going to be anything similar to a boxing or MMA match, you're an idiot. Sure, if America went to war with Britian then following the general "rules of war" makes sense to a point because there's a reasonable expectation that both sides will actually follow through fully (or mostly fully) with those rules (similar to the expectatoin of people following the rules in a boxing match or MMA match). However if you're talking about interactions with a country who you have no reasonable expectation that they're going to follow the rules then trying to go out of your way to handcuff yourself with rules while they do whatever is akin to trying to go into a fight on the street stating you're not going to draw a weapon, you're not going to hit below the belt, you're not going to bite, you're not going to knee their head if they're on the ground, etc. It's dumb.

When it comes to war, or significant and relevant national defense, I don't have an issue with targetted assassinations. I also realize the political ramifications of having an "open" stance on Assassination and agree that publicly and "officially" we should have a negative stance on it. But I also am a realist and understand that there's things our government may well need, and should, do that they don't actually publicly avow. My view in regards to how war should be conducted isn't exactly a popular one, definitely not a politically correct one, but personally I feel is the pragmatic and realistic one. I don't believe assassination should be something we use routinely, or even often, but I do believe should be an option in some form within our capabilities.

Then again, I view my morals as a country in terms of defense largely as I do with my family. I'd violate every act morally, legally, and ethically to save the life of my family and would not for a moment feel that I made the wrong decision. And if I was the person threatening someone elses family, while I may dislike them taking similar actoin against me (because it would be harmful to my famliy to lose me), I would not disagree with the notion that its reasonable for them to take such actions. Similarly with regards to countries, while I may dislike and wish to act against a country acting in its self interest, I don't blame them for taking such action because I expect countries to worry first and foremost about what is best for themselves and their people not necessarily what's best for the world community.
 
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Yes, of course. Although just because an act is self-serving doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't serve some greater good.

I think the only logical following of such an action would be the greater good of having served yourself.

Which is why I questioned whether or not it actually makes sense to assassinate Assad.

Good Stuff.

Philosophical ambiguity day.
 
I think the only logical following of such an action would be the greater good of having served yourself.



Good Stuff.

Philosophical ambiguity day.

I look at it from a utilitarian perspective. Does assassinating any particular individual do anything for us? Does it somehow make the world a better place? If the answers are yes, and yes, go for it. If not, then don't. If you're interpreting my comments as ambiguous, well, I just laid em out nice and clean for you.
 
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I look at it from a utilitarian perspective. Does assassinating any particular individual do anything for us? Does it somehow make the world a better place? If the answers are yes, and yes, go for it. If not, then don't. If you're interpreting my comments as ambiguous, well, I just laid em out nice and clean for you.

I mean it in that I'm philosophically ambiguous today. Srry bout that.
 
If this situation in Syria, could be dealt with by one of our special forces operations removing certain facets of the problem with deadly force, would you find the tradeoff a wise venture. In other words, if we could kill Assad to stop the ongoing slaughter of thousands, would you go along with it?

it would be a murder , no kind of murder is better than the others
 
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Assassinating one person is better than bombing a building and killing innocent bystanders.
 
I'm always in some minority or less position w/o my position even approximated in this poll. That is the problem with those in my profession. Well anyway, getting rid of Assad doesn't solve the problem. There are many replacements waiting to assume his position in his criminal organization. The other problem is the culture in Syria as its not one that can support a rational leadership, they are getting the leadership their culture deserves and they will again.

Now I have to add, there is no easy solution for Syria, the culture has to change. War doesn't solve culture problems. We have some recent examples.
 
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