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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Yes, that is 100% correct. I suggested that we only have to replace "The Nation of Iran" with "The State of Iran". No, I said we have to stop THINKING of them as outsiders and impostors that way the world wouldn't allow them to exist. This sort of applies to if you TRULY believe that we are brothers and sisters, are you more or less inclined to react violently for say kissing your girlfriend? The problem is, among a lot of other things, is most people in a political position aren't in it for the right reason. They are in it for me instead of for us.
    No violently, but certainly with the yuck factor.

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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    They're imitations and failures at trying to preserve world peace, which is surely the aim of the "world republic"
    Whatever. They are still not examples of world republics.
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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Yes, that is 100% correct. I suggested that we only have to replace "The Nation of Iran" with "The State of Iran". No, I said we have to stop THINKING of them as outsiders and impostors that way the world wouldn't allow them to exist. This sort of applies to if you TRULY believe that we are brothers and sisters, are you more or less inclined to react violently for say kissing your girlfriend? The problem is, among a lot of other things, is most people in a political position aren't in it for the right reason. They are in it for me instead of for us.
    You know, I just give up on you. If you think such phrases could work, then the world would have been overrun with communists by now
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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    You are addressing talking points here, which I guess I don't have a problem with. Obviously I'm not going to convince you to change that political lean to liberal so we can help other countries. I think that conservatives original ideology came from very archaic principles. Their philosophy came from when, for instance, we were cave men or women and survival meant taking care of your family and if you helped another person it would put your family in jeopardy. The liberal way of thinking is a progressive way of thinking, or a more evolved way of thinking because we now can produce enough goods due to efficiency in machinery/advances in technology to feed everyone on this planet, yet there are still people on this planet who are starving. Why is this? Is it really american's own glutany that has rooted beneath our culture to not allow us to think of others? Is it these archaic thoughts that dwindle beneath us? I think it is and, unfortunately, is another thing in our path to stopping all evil and achieving world peace.
    Evolved way of thinking? You seriously need to take a history course and pull your head out of your ass.

    Its not Soviet, Cuba or North Korea who became rich. It is Sweden, it is US, it is Hong Kong who did what no humans had ever done before. Removed extreme poverty. Hong Kong is not even a democracy. All of these countries have in common is that they embraced the market economy. (Sweden less so in the 70s and 80s, but not even close to socialism. And due to that Sweden crashed in the 90s and returned to a market economy.) The reason they got rich was due to their market economy. Everyone in Sweden can invest a lot of money without much restrictions, earn heaps of money and keep most of it. Try doing the same in Zimbabwe or in Venezuela. There is redistribution in Sweden, but that only works when it is based on trust, and most people are productive. That is not the case around the world. Since it is based on trust it works better within a nation.

    You will not solve global poverty be redistributing from rich countries to poor countries. You will only make poor countries dependant on rich countries, destroy their competing industries, which will prevent them from doing the necessary reforms. To fix their problems, they need to deal with corruption, and adopt a market economy with strong safeguards. They are not poor because other countries are rich, they are poor because of bad governance. No country has ever got rich by aid, what makes you think the 21th century is so different? Also, why do you need a world government? Is it because you want to force rich countries to share the wealth?
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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    But still logically why does the world need one government? And what type of government would that be? Western government? Theocracy? Leftist? Fascist? Anarchy? Etc..

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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    An OWG is not possible as it stands in the world now. But even if attempted in the future, there's gotta be rules. Each nation/state should be allowed a large degree of autonomy or no one will go for it, for the reasons PSK and Camlon pointed out. Even here in the US, the feds stick their nose in the state's business too much. I believe it's in AZ that they want open-carry (gun) laws, and the feds are making a stink about it. Well, it's not any of the feds damn business. And if AZ wants to get tough on immigration that's their business as well. Also, some states are richer than others, and that's largely because they've been smarter about attracting business and talented people. Competition between the American states is good and it promotes growth. A future OWG should likewise let individual nation/states run their business they way they see fit. The smarter one's will get richer and the poorer ones will have to get smart if they want to compete.

    On the other hand, I would have to agree with jryan in that individual people would do better to see people of other nations fellow people. If we aren't all divided up by arbitrary borders we might have a more community mindset. I don't agree with just throwing money at the poor (it never works), but I do agree that helping people to help themselves is highly effective. If we think of ourselves as citizens of one body, we'll be more inclined to do just that. A properly designed OWG can help with organizing and focusing this.
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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    An OWG is not possible as it stands in the world now. But even if attempted in the future, there's gotta be rules. Each nation/state should be allowed a large degree of autonomy or no one will go for it, for the reasons PSK and Camlon pointed out. Even here in the US, the feds stick their nose in the state's business too much. I believe it's in AZ that they want open-carry (gun) laws, and the feds are making a stink about it. Well, it's not any of the feds damn business. And if AZ wants to get tough on immigration that's their business as well. Also, some states are richer than others, and that's largely because they've been smarter about attracting business and talented people. Competition between the American states is good and it promotes growth. A future OWG should likewise let individual nation/states run their business they way they see fit. The smarter one's will get richer and the poorer ones will have to get smart if they want to compete.

    On the other hand, I would have to agree with jryan in that individual people would do better to see people of other nations fellow people. If we aren't all divided up by arbitrary borders we might have a more community mindset. I don't agree with just throwing money at the poor (it never works), but I do agree that helping people to help themselves is highly effective. If we think of ourselves as citizens of one body, we'll be more inclined to do just that. A properly designed OWG can help with organizing and focusing this.
    If you talk to younger generations they do not think that people in other countries are any less approachable. One can be proud of where they live and still be friends with people who do not live there. In other words the assertion that removing boarders will make us all get along is a naive assumption. That talking point is designed as an excuse for OWG, it lacks the legal reasoning for OWG. I mean the internet has removed borders socially already. Personally I have friends in countries that most likely I will never set foot in. We can be neighbors and still be friends even though we have separate governments.

    So borders are not a good enough reason for OWG we simply can have community with borders intact. The question is what is more beneficial with OWG instead of a world full of nations?

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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    If you talk to younger generations they do not think that people in other countries are any less approachable. One can be proud of where they live and still be friends with people who do not live there. In other words the assertion that removing boarders will make us all get along is a naive assumption. That talking point is designed as an excuse for OWG, it lacks the legal reasoning for OWG. I mean the internet has removed borders socially already. Personally I have friends in countries that most likely I will never set foot in. We can be neighbors and still be friends even though we have separate governments.

    So borders are not a good enough reason for OWG we simply can have community with borders intact. The question is what is more beneficial with OWG instead of a world full of nations?
    Yes, we are seeing borders blurring because of the internet. We're slowly backing into an OWG without really trying. A more organized OWG should primarily exist to govern more complex interactions across borders (they can keep their hands off common social contacts, thank you). In the US we're one nation, but we still have state borders that indicate a different set of rules. A state cop cannot chase a crook into the neighboring state, but he has good communications with the cops in the other state. An OWG can help maintain good comms across nation/states. It can help settle legal issues and ensure safe and effective market traffic (like maybe eliminate China's artificial values for the Yuan). Honestly, we almost have an OWG anyway. An official one would just be a more effective one.
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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Yes, we are seeing borders blurring because of the internet. We're slowly backing into an OWG without really trying. A more organized OWG should primarily exist to govern more complex interactions across borders (they can keep their hands off common social contacts, thank you). In the US we're one nation, but we still have state borders that indicate a different set of rules. A state cop cannot chase a crook into the neighboring state, but he has good communications with the cops in the other state. An OWG can help maintain good comms across nation/states. It can help settle legal issues and ensure safe and effective market traffic (like maybe eliminate China's artificial values for the Yuan). Honestly, we almost have an OWG anyway. An official one would just be a more effective one.
    AN OWG would require on type of government. It is arrogant to assume it would be like our federal government. Most likely we would loose a great deal of liberty with a OWG. If the OWG was democratic in nature it would mean that policies would not be decided locally. A nation like China culturally would not accept what a OWG says about their local affairs. There would be no adhesive to keep any country in a OWG except oppression. I mean if fo example China succeeds a OWG and is isolated for doing so, that equates to majority rule. No nation can leave out of fear of the OWG. Its too absolute no room for disagreement. And disagreements will happen.

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    Re: Do you support a world government?

    All OWG supporters, has that made a difference in the world?

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