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Thread: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I could suggest gaining morbid obesity to get on disability, and find a basement somewhere to live in while playing Dungeons and Dragons for most of every waking day. Escapists tend to do such things as this.
    Actually I've LOST about 50 lbs in the last 30 months and moved into my own place (away from the roommates) as of 11/1/11. Nice to have my own space for the first time in quite a while. There are considerably more interesting RPG's out there than D&D these days. White Wolf's "World of Darkness" settings, Shadowrun, and Twilight:2000 being among them. Though honestly my interests in medievel recreation and competitive pistol shooting tend to be my bigger hobbies these days along with my running and time at the gym. Of course this is all contingent on whatever schedule my girlfriend and I have for the week.


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    There are plenty of places on earth that resemble the 12th or 13th century. Bring a sword, you'll be needing it.
    That's fine with me. I'm actually pretty handy with a sword, axe, and bow. If I can find one that fits my morals and values I'll be there quite quickly, thank you very much.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Let's say you are (as I am) a fervent supporter of gay rights. You study on the candidates and conclude that while Candidate A will frustrate your social justice goals, he or she will bring the economy back into balance.

    Which way will you vote? Economic justice or social justice?
    Interesting question. I would vote for the economic justice. Economic justice benefits everybody. Social justice, while certainly noble, positively affects only a relative few. To me it's just a simple unemotional hierarchy.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Unfortunately I live in one, though thankfully in an area of the Communistwealth where it is not terribly prevailant. I do go out of my way to try and avoid places where morality and values are not strongly enforced; but in this area of the country it's not very easy.
    I don't know if you really understand what you're saying you want, but it sounds an awful lot like a Sharia law -type place. If that's what you like, then it's no skin off my nose, but where morality and values are strongly enforced, you end up without freedom. To each his own.........

    I personally prefer a set of laws designed to prevent encroachment on the rights of each other, and to let people live the way they see fit, as long as they aren't causing harm to others.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    i would go with the economy,its best to fix major problems.now ssm and abortion are common issues used to divide people and distract them so they dont focus on the big issues so much.both of those issues have nearly a split base of support,no matter which side you support the other sides pissed off,but the fighting between the two sides keeps people from paying attention to core issues of politicians.
    IMO, right now we have a "screwed up" economy.

    The money has left us to reside in Mexico, China, Germany, Japan, Arabia, even Canada, any place but our homeland - or so it seems..
    We need to bring things back in balance; homosexual rights gets all the press, and at the same time, the poor suffer (they receive little press).
    Anyway, I agree, we must work on the economy..
    But how ?
    Not by cutting education as the conservatives seem to champion, but by knowledge, then a public outcry for reform..
    And the homosexuals are doing OK(financially), I think.....their struggle will continue for years and years, until the conservatives die off.
    I am speaking of social conservatives, of course.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    We are responsible for the world we live in, but we are only guilty of the things we could have changed.



    I understand. I've drawn several of those lines myself. It just strikes me as remarkably petty and intolerant to draw such a line over an issue that does not prevent you from acting morally-- gay marriage doesn't interfere with your marriage and your family, so it seems that you should be perfectly capable of staying in the country and fighting (by lawful means) for the repeal of laws you consider immoral.



    There's only six of them so far. I've got states I can't drive through, either; it isn't that hard if you take your moral values seriously enough.
    The Tigger seems to be horribly over-re-acting to something so very few do. SSM does stretch my tolerance to the MAX, but I will survive and I will travel as I see fit...

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't know if you really understand what you're saying you want, but it sounds an awful lot like a Sharia law -type place. If that's what you like, then it's no skin off my nose, but where morality and values are strongly enforced, you end up without freedom. To each his own.........
    Yes, I understand exactly what I'm saying. It is not far off from Sharia Law. Freedom and Liberty are not things I believe should be Rights but rather Privileges, for those who have proven they can live within the proper restraints of society.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I personally prefer a set of laws designed to prevent encroachment on the rights of each other, and to let people live the way they see fit, as long as they aren't causing harm to others.
    While that's a great idea, the problem is that the vast super-majority of human beings are too immoral and stupid to do the Right Thing without it being forced upon them.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    When you continue to allow for the election of people who cannot or will not act and legislate in a moral manner, you are responsible for their actions and legislation. When you fail to call the cops every time you see a drug deal going down or other crime being committed, you become responsible for those actions. I could go on, but I won't waste either of our time.
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    The homosexual married or not is not a threat.
    Fear and ignorance are.


    Unfortunately I live in one, though thankfully in an area of the Communistwealth where it is not terribly prevailant. I do go out of my way to try and avoid places where morality and values are not strongly enforced; but in this area of the country it's not very easy.




    Only true to a certain degree Viktyr. We're guilty of not changing a lot of things that we should, because doing so would not be easy, pretty, or polite.



    Well, I can be a very petty and intolerant guy. When the State of New York imposed their Same Sex Marriage Right last year, I canceled a trip that would probably have put $500-600 in the pocket of their hotel and restaurant industry, nevermind the secondary markets. I actually sent a letter to the heads of their legislative bodies informing them of the reason I was canceling my stay. Instead I drove out for the one day I needed to be there and drove back that night (about an 18-20 hour day overall) instead of going out a couple days early and staying at least one day later.



    I've got more than a few which I can't drive through for LEGAL reasons, nevermind the morals and values issues.
    Tigger, my boy, the color does not rub off.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes, I understand exactly what I'm saying. It is not far off from Sharia Law. Freedom and Liberty are not things I believe should be Rights but rather Privileges, for those who have proven they can live within the proper restraints of society.



    While that's a great idea, the problem is that the vast super-majority of human beings are too immoral and stupid to do the Right Thing without it being forced upon them.
    Hrm... That's not "very conservative" as your official leaning suggests, that's fascism and totalitarianism, bro.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Tigger, my boy, the color does not rub off.
    It's not a matter of the color rubbing off. It's a matter of the color existing in what is properly a Black & White world.


    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Hrm... That's not "very conservative" as your official leaning suggests, that's fascism and totalitarianism, bro.
    Authoritarianism and Fascism are the Extreme ends of the Right Wing/Conservative spectrum, Alpaca.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Authoritarianism and Fascism are the Extreme ends of the Right Wing/Conservative spectrum, Alpaca.
    Of course. However, I see a distinction between the terms Right Wing and conservative. But I guess there's no selection on DB for very very very right wing so I see your point.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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