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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    I would vote for the social issues first. If a candidate is pro-choice, I don't care if he'd make me a billionaire. Of course, if he's pro-choice he'd probably give me a 99% tax rate on my billions too lol.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    There are some things that are deal-breakers for me personally. Gay rights is kind of a deal-breaker, since I could never vote for a president who actively campaigned that he/she would reinstate don't-ask-don't-tell in the military, would actively work to pass a federal law that overturned the rights of states to legalize gay marriage. I could never vote for a candidate that promised to work toward making abortion illegal again, citing a plan to place only anti-choice candidates in federal judgeships and on the Supreme Court. I could never vote for a candidate that promised to throw open the border, and declare this a sanctuary country for the entire world. I couldn't vote for a candidate that promised to gut SS, medicare and disability, while giving tax cuts to corporations and multi-millionaires.

    That's just a handful of drop-dead issues for me. I know I'll never agree with any candidate 100%... I could throttle Bill Clinton for NAFTA, although I thought him an excellent president overall. However, yeah, there are issues for me that I cannot in good conscience overlook.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Social issues are a "biggie" with me and if I thought that their being voted in would hurt the things that matter to me? I could not vote for them. Sorry. I just could not do it when I know damn well there are people out here that could be elected that will do the the right thing on the budget and social issues. If that makes me a bitch that does not "really" care about the Economy? So Be It!
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    Marriage was invented by heteros for heteros. Gays don't get to make or change the rules of that institution.
    Yes they do! At the ballot box!
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I would vote for anyone if they had a feasible, logical, sensible economic plan - whether they were a child molester, cross-dresser, or Sean Penn.

    Ethics and social issues mean zip to me. Your moral pedestal doesn't do much when it's next to a cardboard box.
    This is the most disgusting thing you have ever posted. You do not care about anybody and would vote for a pedo as long as it benefits YOU. That is so scummy selfish
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Given the choice is between established parties which are not radical/extremist and which, despite all bickering, are not that far apart and thus "legitimate choices", I'd rather go with the party/candidates whose platform reflects my opinions on social issues, rather economic issues. Take, for example, the two large parties in Germany, conservative Christian Dems and center-left Social Dems -- both support a free market economy in general, despite all differences in the details.

    I would not vote for a party whose social stances I agree with, when they are extremist on economic issues ... like a communist party or so, which wants to change the entire system. Likewise, I would not support a party I think has good economic ideas, but is totally authoritarian, maybe even anti-constitutional on social issues.

    But back to the choice between two established, moderate parties, I go with the social issues. That's because I believe the government's power over a free market economy is very limited anyway. The free market economy will go up and down by itself, policies can delay or fasten this development only to some extent. Economic policy does matter, but the power of a government over markets is much lower in general, than over social issues. The effect of ending or enacting legal discrimination, for example, is much more direct than the effect of taxes or subsidies on the economy as a whole. The former are directly in effect, the latter can just slow or fasten a general economic trend.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Well, that depends. What are we talkin', here?

    Are we talkin' someone whose record on social issues is simply not distinguished? Maybe. If their record leads me to believe they just aren't that passionate about it and I don't believe that they will take significant and definitive action against social justice, maybe. But even then, it would have to be a pretty awesome economic plan, which has legitimate hope of gaining bipartisan support.

    Or are we talking about someone with a strong record of taking action, or wishing to, against what I consider social justice? If that's the case, no. My social positions are mostly based on personal freedom and self-ownership and equal treatment under the law. And no, I won't support a candidate who doesn't believe in those things. I already make enough concessions as it is, since a lot of the social issues I believe in probably won't be talked about in mainstream politics for decades to come. I'm not willing to move backwards.

    I won't vote for someone who wants to curtain people's freedom or make them second class citizens.

    What good does it do to have a great economy if you're living under oppression?

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Leaving the morality of same sex marriage aside for a moment... what does it have to do with your soul? In what fashion are you corrupted merely by living in a society that tolerates what you consider wrong?
    There are crimes and sins of commission and ones of omission, Viktyr. We are as guilty of the things we know are wrong that we allow to go on around us as we are of those things that we do ourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If it becomes legal, will you then only be allowed to vote for candidates that support repealing it? Or, if there are no candidates in favor of repealing it... what then? What are the consequences for your soul to living in a society which permits same sex marriage?
    If it becomes legal nationally, I will no longer be able to reside in the United States. It's that simple.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    For those of you who never vote against your conscience, have you ever voted for a candidate you agreed with 100%?
    When I walk into the voting booth I expect that there will be less than 10% of the offices on that ballot where I can actually cast a vote for EITHER candidate. In some cases I've only voted for a single office on the ballot and then walked out. 100% agreement is pretty much impossible. My goal is 85%+ overall and 100% on the important issues.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    What people don't seem to understand is that if you support civil freedom in EVERY aspect, the money will follow.
    I would rather live in a MORAL third-world nation than in an IMMORAL first-world nation.

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