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Thread: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    The economy is an issue of conscience for me. Gay marriage is about the welfare of 3% of the population, while the economy is about the welfare of 100% of the population; my duty is to the nation as a whole, and thus my conscience demands that I vote to fix the economy.

    I don't have a dog in either fight. I can't work and I don't own stock, so the state of the economy simply does not matter to me as long as the government doesn't collapse.
    I believe that without a reasonably stable economy, the government will collapse, especially given the state of our social obligations.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    The state should have no social moral obligations. That's between a person, their church, their God or whatever. They need to get out of the business of dictating bedroom morals and stick with high finance.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    What people don't seem to understand is that if you support civil freedom in EVERY aspect, the money will follow.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The state should have no social moral obligations. That's between a person, their church, their God or whatever. They need to get out of the business of dictating bedroom morals and stick with high finance.


    And....there it is....

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I believe that without a reasonably stable economy, the government will collapse, especially given the state of our social obligations.
    Yep. Thing is... I'm okay with that. If the government collapses, I can do what I must to survive without their interference-- I only need government assistance because I'm incapable of functioning in a lawful society. I'm well suited to a kill-or-be-killed lifestyle, and if the old government collapses there's a good chance I'll end up on top of the new one.

    I'm voting for a more responsible government, because that is what I am morally obligated to do, but I'm hoping it fails because that's what's going to work out better for me.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Yep. Thing is... I'm okay with that. If the government collapses, I can do what I must to survive without their interference-- I only need government assistance because I'm incapable of functioning in a lawful society. I'm well suited to a kill-or-be-killed lifestyle, and if the old government collapses there's a good chance I'll end up on top of the new one.

    I'm voting for a more responsible government, because that is what I am morally obligated to do, but I'm hoping it fails because that's what's going to work out better for me.
    To the bolded: Same here, but we are definitely in the minority on the issue, lol.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    I would vote for anyone if they had a feasible, logical, sensible economic plan - whether they were a child molester, cross-dresser, or Sean Penn.

    Ethics and social issues mean zip to me. Your moral pedestal doesn't do much when it's next to a cardboard box.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    The above would make this whole process much easier...if only. Then we get to that whole pesky reality thingy.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Let's say you are (as I am) a fervent supporter of gay rights. You study on the candidates and conclude that while Candidate A will frustrate your social justice goals, he or she will bring the economy back into balance.

    Which way will you vote? Economic justice or social justice?
    In the end gay marriage will be decided in the courts just like inter-racial marriage was. As such I would vote for the economic guy.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Let's say you are (as I am) a fervent supporter of gay rights. You study on the candidates and conclude that while Candidate A will frustrate your social justice goals, he or she will bring the economy back into balance.

    Which way will you vote? Economic justice or social justice?
    It depends. I'll look at which candidate will most improve my life and the lives of people I think deserve to succeed. If Candidate A is going to put me in conversion therapy or prison, I think I'll take my risks with a worse economy. If he is going to appoint anti-gay supreme court judges, I think a few years of a bad economy is better than forty years of bad social precedent.

    Luckily, I don't think much of what the anti-gay folks propose economically has a chance of stimulating the economy, and I think the economy will probably improve over the next four years no matter who is in charge, so it never really comes down to balancing these two concerns anyway.
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