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Thread: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    It depends on the year... this year, I will vote for a candidate that wants to both cut spending and do away with the Bush-era tax cuts regardless of what the candidate feels about social policy. Right now, undoing the mess Reagan, GHWB and GWB caused is more important too this country continuing to be a sovereign nation than pushing thru any social agenda - conservative or liberal.
    There is no such candidate out there, at least not in either of the major parties. Why is it though that liberals tend to make this argument about the messes or Reagan and Bush, yet we had strong economies with them, and horrible ones with most of the dem presidents. The way I see it is that its the GOP that cleans up the messes left by democrats. Now though they are both pooing on the carpet. Neither give a **** about anything anymore other than collecting endorsements and donations and then once in office its just policy by pay off. It leaves us all **** out of luck.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Money is pretty worthless if you think about it.
    If everyone decided that the dollar has no use or money in general has no use it would be worthless.


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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Let's say you are (as I am) a fervent supporter of gay rights. You study on the candidates and conclude that while Candidate A will frustrate your social justice goals, he or she will bring the economy back into balance.

    Which way will you vote? Economic justice or social justice?
    It depends on the pragmatism of the issues. A failing economy can doom our country. Gays have rights already, except for the perceived right of marriage. The issue of whether or not gays can marry has much less impact on our economic future and stability than marriage rights. We must remain economically solvent to even exist as a country at all.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I wouldn't vote for anyone who ran on the premise that they would bring about "economic justice".
    I had a similar reply in mind. That is a dangerously loaded term, but I'm not sure the OP meant it the way you and I are taking it.

    It's not a choice I have to make in this election, but if it were, and neither candidate shared any of my social views, I'd go for the more business-friendly candidate, and that is always going to be a Republican.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    There is no such candidate out there, at least not in either of the major parties. Why is it though that liberals tend to make this argument about the messes or Reagan and Bush, yet we had strong economies with them, and horrible ones with most of the dem presidents. The way I see it is that its the GOP that cleans up the messes left by democrats. Now though they are both pooing on the carpet. Neither give a **** about anything anymore other than collecting endorsements and donations and then once in office its just policy by pay off. It leaves us all **** out of luck.
    they tend to make arguments against bush and reagan because they feel trickle down economics and deregulation caused our current recession.bush and clintons administration did have alot to do with the current crisis by deregulating the financial sector too much.trickle down economics only works when properly used,how it should have been used was to drop taxes on middle to upper income,then gradually return to normal tax rates as the economy rebounds.

    clinton did nearly nothing under his economy since it was doing good then,and bush used a butchered hybrid of keynesian and trickle down supply side economics.reagans economy was a good solution for the time but arent viable for todays problems.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    There is no such candidate out there, at least not in either of the major parties. Why is it though that liberals tend to make this argument about the messes or Reagan and Bush, yet we had strong economies with them, and horrible ones with most of the dem presidents. The way I see it is that its the GOP that cleans up the messes left by democrats. Now though they are both pooing on the carpet. Neither give a **** about anything anymore other than collecting endorsements and donations and then once in office its just policy by pay off. It leaves us all **** out of luck.
    Actually, at least in my humble opinion, Clinton somehow managed to put things in some semblance of order after Bush kept the Reagan trickle down going. Then Bush Jr. completely screwed this country by ripping apart the very things put in place by Clinton to prevent what happened from happening, and topped it off by spending so much damn money we saw that the dollar weakened.

    To state the GOP has been even remotely conservative in this mess is silly when faced with the data. To ignore these documented data points shows a complete lack of historical understanding.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Money is pretty worthless if you think about it.
    If everyone decided that the dollar has no use or money in general has no use it would be worthless.
    How will you bring it? Another communist revolution?
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    If I feel that the particular issue is more important than the economy, then no.
    If I feel that the economy as a whole is better for the nation than the decision of that issue that favors my view, then I'll vote for that candidate
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    The economy is an issue of conscience for me. Gay marriage is about the welfare of 3% of the population, while the economy is about the welfare of 100% of the population; my duty is to the nation as a whole, and thus my conscience demands that I vote to fix the economy.

    I don't have a dog in either fight. I can't work and I don't own stock, so the state of the economy simply does not matter to me as long as the government doesn't collapse.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Marriage was invented by heteros for heteros. Gays don't get to make or change the rules of that institution.

    I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Voltaire

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