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Thread: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I would rather live in a MORAL third-world nation than in an IMMORAL first-world nation.
    There are countries that closer fit your stated desire... yet you still choose to live here.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Completely disagree. Human nature is IRrational self-interest... or selfishness. Pure free market/libertarian philosophies imply that people will include the good of the group with their own good... which will never happen, either.
    Self-interest is entirely rational. Sacrifice of self is martyrdom, which may not be bad if it's a part of your religion, but if you have a normal human desire to survive, it's not rational at all. It may be a good thing if you're Jesus, and if you desire to die so that others may live, but it's certainly not a philosophy born of reason or rational thinking.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    so youd rather live in a nonfree country thant a free one? got it

    because since YOUR morals are SUBJECTIVE to YOU a country that matched your morals and your morals only could never be free
    You are correct on both points.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's more likely that parental income is not the predictor, and that parental attitudes and values are. As an example, I was born and raised in a poor environment relative to the standards of many Americans. Neither of my parents were college educated, and my father was a high school drop-out in the 10th grade. You might think that my childhood environment would have made me disadvantaged, but that wasn't the case at all. My father was a very industrious man who worked long hours to support his wife and 4 daughters. He was a man who could build or fix just about anything himself. He never had much money, but he was a really good, clean, decent, hard-working man. Those values were instilled in me. I was the first in my family with a college degree. When I was young, I looked at the potential job market, and I could see that there was a chronic nursing shortage. Therefore, I applied for nursing school, was accepted, and have worked in that profession for almost 30 years. I will never be wealthy, but I am able to meet my needs and have a little left over for things that I enjoy doing. My work ethic is very strong, and I managed to have foresight to secure my job future.
    Sure that would make you an outlier. If you lived in a disadvantaged background and went to schools with other disadvantaged kids....how did they turn out? I too lived in such a background and the majority of my past class mates did not increase their living standard above those of their parents. They have stayed in the same socio economic classes. Like I mentioned, every individual family is different and there are a lot of variables. When looking at socio economic groups as a whole....if you pick someone out randomly...most likely you would be able to predict their economic class based just on their parents economic class...that's a fact.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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