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Thread: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Of course. However, I see a distinction between the terms Right Wing and conservative. But I guess there's no selection on DB for very very very right wing so I see your point.
    Authoritarian would work, but it's not an option.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Freedom and Liberty are not things I believe should be Rights but rather Privileges,...
    Regardless the noble sounding rhetoric, they are only privileges.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Hrm... That's not "very conservative" as your official leaning suggests, that's fascism and totalitarianism, bro.
    Conservatism is more or less defined by the degree of social authoritarianism in a philosophy.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Conservatism is more or less defined by the degree of social authoritarianism in a philosophy.
    Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")[1] is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were".

    I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with authoritarianism.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    The maintenance of traditional social institutions requires the initiation of force-- whether it is heavy-handed force like criminal law or soft-touch force like tax incentives.

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    The maintenance of traditional social institutions requires the initiation of force-- whether it is heavy-handed force like criminal law or soft-touch force like tax incentives.
    That is subjective, at best. I would sooner turn to Newton's 1st law.

    I believe that things will stay the same unless acted upon by an outside force.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Economic power is social/political power.

    I think with just a focus on social equality it turns into an instance where those without political or economic power are dependent on those with the power to "give" them rights.

    When more economic equality is reached everyone has power to petition and fight for their own rights.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Economic power is social/political power.

    I think with just a focus on social equality it turns into an instance where those without political or economic power are dependent on those with the power to "give" them rights.

    When more economic equality is reached everyone has power to petition and fight for their own rights.
    Historically speaking, people having less rights means the goverment has more power, and I've yet to find a government that has voluntarily released power.
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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Historically speaking, people having less rights means the goverment has more power, and I've yet to find a government that has voluntarily released power.
    I agree to an extent....but government is not some autonomous entity. It's controlled and it serves the interests of some group of people...which is why class or groups within a country DO matter. It's also why looking at government vs All People is false in my opinion.

    The Monarchies of Europe were controlled by the Aristocracy. They gave additional "rights" to landowners while taking away rights of the peasants. So it wasn't some automous entity that just gobbled up power...it was government serving the interests of one group of people.

    Also...the Civil Rights Act gave additional powers to the Federal Government...and that power was used to break down institutional racism in the south. So you could say the rights of White Males in the South were lost while rights to African Americans was gained.

    I just think this idea of "government vs citizens" is a wrong view. Government is sometimes a means of serving the interests of one group but it's not like in the absence of government equality exists.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Would You Vote Against Your Conscience For A Better Economy?

    It is a shame that we do not have more viable choices, but the fact of the matter is that in this two party system, you only have two viable choices.

    Being gay, it is a bitter pill for me to swallow many times. But I will always vote against ultra liberal candidates, because I believe they are ruining this country- sacrificing economic security and opportunity in the name of some bull****, nonsensical, illogical and unreasonable ideal of fairness.

    It would have been most upsetting for me to have had to vote for Bachman or Perry, but I would have cast my vote in good conscience for whichever candidate runs against the current president.

    Currently, it looks like there are only two choices for me: Romney, who I believe would allow Obamacare to run it's course (which would be a deal breaker for me if there were ANY other choices), or Santorum, who stated that he thinks libertarians believe in "no government," and who is as anti gay as any of the other candidates have been.

    Obama isn't a choice, because he has the destruction of this country as his primary goal, IMO, calling this destruction "a fundamental transformation."

    The primary in Georgia isn't until March. Between now and then, I'm trying to decide which of the GOP candidates is more likely to be able to beat Obama. Right now, I am leaning toward Santorum. I believe he would support the repeal of Obamacare (if it was placed on his desk, because I don't really think he has the leadership skills necessary to be a good president). The problem I have with Romney is that not only will the democrats make it a black vs. white election, but with Romney as the candidate, they will present the choice to stupid, mindless Americans that it is a poor vs. rich election. I have real concerns that that is a hurdle he may not overcome.

    Maybe soon the libertarian party will put forward a candidate that is strong on defense, foreign policy, and border control. When they do, I support them all the way to the ballot box.

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