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Thread: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

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    Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    The way I've always judged good versus bad is whether or not a person avoids hierarchy.

    Analytic propositions are independent. They don't depend on anything, and they don't make anything depend on them.

    Synthetic propositions are dependent. They depend on analysis, and socially speaking, they can make analysis depend on them.

    In other words, an analyst is someone who doesn't step on someone else's boundaries.

    A synthesizer is someone who does, but synthesizers usually win social games because they bring analysts together.

    In effect, a synthetic society becomes an addiction. Analysts can't interact without going through synthesizers, and over time, analysts will forget how to interact altogether, depending on synthesizers to get along.

    The one argument I've ever seen advocating legitimately for synthesizers is analysts are boring. Analysts get stuck on foundations, and they don't know how to elevate society to greater levels of excitement, so synthesizers are needed for this...

    ...but the problem here is it assumes analysts want greater levels of excitement, and each analyst didn't necessarily create each synthesizer, so there's no necessary responsibility to be entertained.

    Are analysts good and synthesizers bad, or is it the other way around?

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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    I think I speak for the rest of the forum in me saying "huh?"

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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    False dichotomy. All positions are dependent upon external factors.

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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    The way I've always judged good versus bad is whether or not a person avoids hierarchy.

    Analytic propositions are independent. They don't depend on anything, and they don't make anything depend on them.

    Synthetic propositions are dependent. They depend on analysis, and socially speaking, they can make analysis depend on them.

    In other words, an analyst is someone who doesn't step on someone else's boundaries.

    A synthesizer is someone who does, but synthesizers usually win social games because they bring analysts together.

    In effect, a synthetic society becomes an addiction. Analysts can't interact without going through synthesizers, and over time, analysts will forget how to interact altogether, depending on synthesizers to get along.

    The one argument I've ever seen advocating legitimately for synthesizers is analysts are boring. Analysts get stuck on foundations, and they don't know how to elevate society to greater levels of excitement, so synthesizers are needed for this...

    ...but the problem here is it assumes analysts want greater levels of excitement, and each analyst didn't necessarily create each synthesizer, so there's no necessary responsibility to be entertained.

    Are analysts good and synthesizers bad, or is it the other way around?
    Sounds like "switch" to me. That would be when you stick one thumb in your mouth and the other in your rectum and when someone says "switch", that's what you do. The synthesis subjected to analysis could leave a bad taste in one's mouth.

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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    Yeah, I have to say I don't understand quite what you're asking. I know what Liebniz, and later Kant, defined an analytic proposition is, and what Kant defined a synthetic proposition is. I suppose I could hypothesize a little bit and suppose that in some possible world, there are people who only ever utter analytic propositions, and others who only ever utter synthetic propositions. But that doesn't really bring me any closer to understanding your post.

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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Yeah, I have to say I don't understand quite what you're asking. I know what Liebniz, and later Kant, defined an analytic proposition is, and what Kant defined a synthetic proposition is. I suppose I could hypothesize a little bit and suppose that in some possible world, there are people who only ever utter analytic propositions, and others who only ever utter synthetic propositions. But that doesn't really bring me any closer to understanding your post.
    The categorical imperative was predicated on how people are rational such that we only act without contradiction.

    In turn, synthetic personalities are constantly acting contradictorily because if they were left to themselves, they couldn't live meaningful lives. Furthermore, they establish a social hierarchy where synthesizers need analysts around (yet analysts need to surround synthesizers) in order to be fulfilled.

    This isn't to say synthesizers can't mutter analytic propositions, but in order to learn them, they have to emulate analysts. Synthesizers are so socially competitive and hierarchic that they can't (or at least refuse to) learn analysis on their own.

    I think the really sick part about synthetic personalities, though, is how they're basically doing fun for work. Synthesis is the fun part of life where you connect with other analyses and analysts to uncover surprises. It's what we live for, yet synthesizers claim an entitlement to have fun because they can enjoy themselves better, and analysts are left in drudgery under the shame of being lazy if they don't struggle.
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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

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    Sorry but the OP does not make sense.

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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    The categorical imperative was predicated on how people are rational such that we only act without contradiction.

    In turn, synthetic personalities are constantly acting contradictorily because if they were left to themselves, they couldn't live meaningful lives. Furthermore, they establish a social hierarchy where synthesizers need analysts around (yet analysts need to surround synthesizers) in order to be fulfilled.

    This isn't to say synthesizers can't mutter analytic propositions, but in order to learn them, they have to emulate analysts. Synthesizers are so socially competitive and hierarchic that they can't (or at least refuse to) learn analysis on their own.

    I think the really sick part about synthetic personalities, though, is how they're basically doing fun for work. Synthesis is the fun part of life where you connect with other analyses and analysts to uncover surprises. It's what we live for, yet synthesizers claim an entitlement to have fun because they can enjoy themselves better, and analysts are left in drudgery under the shame of being lazy if they don't struggle.
    Are you trying to say roughly this:

    analyzers determine their own positions
    synthesizers determine their positions from the people or things around them?

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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Are you trying to say roughly this:

    analyzers determine their own positions
    synthesizers determine their positions from the people or things around them?
    That's half of it.

    The other half is synthesizers make analysts dependent on them. Synthesizers bring analysts together, so they excel at social games.

    In turn, analysts "learn" to be alienated from one another, so they need synthesizers more and more into the future. They'll even suck up to synthesizers and humiliate themselves in order to compete for synthesizer attention.

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    Re: Analysis Is to Synthesis as Good Is to Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    That's half of it.

    The other half is synthesizers make analysts dependent on them. Synthesizers bring analysts together, so they excel at social games.

    In turn, analysts "learn" to be alienated from one another, so they need synthesizers more and more into the future. They'll even suck up to synthesizers and humiliate themselves in order to compete for synthesizer attention.
    nerds vs jocks? (to put it in highschool terms)

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