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    Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Several recent threads are prompting this question, but primarily the current thread about food stamps and welfare money and when/where recipients should be allowed to spend/access the money. Also, as I float around here on DP I see many different takes regarding the administration of tax money. Who should control it, who should have a say and to what degree, who "owns" it, and so on. Depending on the topic of the day, I see a lot on inconsistency regarding the source of revenue. Quite often, a person's opinion seems to vary depending on how emotional that particular issue is to them.

    Before anybody thinks that I am covertly calling them out, I am not. I am guilty of this, too, and am aware of it. But, after watching and interacting with others I am being more self-reflective and wondering if more consistency is in order.

    Tax money... AFTER it has left your possession and is in the government's possession... is it...

    1) Still *your* money, individually? To the point that you should have a direct say in its handling that allows you to put conditions on its use?
    2) Your money, but in a collective societal sense?
    3) No longer, technically, your/our money money, but the government's money. We no longer have a direct say, and should only be limited to what our elected representatives do. (I'm sure the government votes for this one, but what they think is another topic)
    4) Other?

    Another side question: Should our individual positions be consistent, or vary subjectively based on a given topic (i.e.: military, welfare, education, etc.)?

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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    The money belongs, legally, to the taxing authority. So, property taxes (usually) belong to your school district. Your ability to affect how they are spent is (usually) limited to electing people who agree with you and reporting crimes you become aware of if there has been embezzlement, etc.

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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Tax money belongs to the community that levied the tax. The public exercises their control over the money by electing officials to manage it according to their wishes. The government is not some separate entity, but an extension of the peoples will. Its easy to blame politicians, but remember they only have power because the public is stupid and apathetic enough to let them get elected. The blessing and curse of representative democracy is that you get the government you deserve.

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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Tax money belongs to the community that levied the tax. The public exercises their control over the money by electing officials to manage it according to their wishes. The government is not some separate entity, but an extension of the peoples will. Its easy to blame politicians, but remember they only have power because the public is stupid and apathetic enough to let them get elected. The blessing and curse of representative democracy is that you get the government you deserve.
    Maybe at the local level, but at the National level money seems to generate our candidates. Joe 'Sixpack ain't gonna get on the ballot.

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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Maybe at the local level, but at the National level money seems to generate our candidates. Joe 'Sixpack ain't gonna get on the ballot.
    True. Seems a shame, but I don't know what can be done about it.

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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    "My money in a collective sense," meaning, basically, "our money". We need to have a government to maintain a civil society. That requires funds for us to have our civilization. We pay into it. Once we all pitch into the pot, it's "our" money, and we elect representatives from amongst us to administer that money on our behalf. Some people seem to forget that they aren't a lone individual in a mountain-side forest living on their own. They're a part of a civilized society, and that requires a certain amount of infrastructure, which all costs money, and we all have to pay into it.

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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Money has to be earned before it can be looted.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Several recent threads are prompting this question, but primarily the current thread about food stamps and welfare money and when/where recipients should be allowed to spend/access the money. Also, as I float around here on DP I see many different takes regarding the administration of tax money. Who should control it, who should have a say and to what degree, who "owns" it, and so on. Depending on the topic of the day, I see a lot on inconsistency regarding the source of revenue. Quite often, a person's opinion seems to vary depending on how emotional that particular issue is to them.

    Before anybody thinks that I am covertly calling them out, I am not. I am guilty of this, too, and am aware of it. But, after watching and interacting with others I am being more self-reflective and wondering if more consistency is in order.

    Tax money... AFTER it has left your possession and is in the government's possession... is it...

    1) Still *your* money, individually? To the point that you should have a direct say in its handling that allows you to put conditions on its use?
    2) Your money, but in a collective societal sense?
    3) No longer, technically, your/our money money, but the government's money. We no longer have a direct say, and should only be limited to what our elected representatives do. (I'm sure the government votes for this one, but what they think is another topic)
    4) Other?

    Another side question: Should our individual positions be consistent, or vary subjectively based on a given topic (i.e.: military, welfare, education, etc.)?
    Great question. Great poll. And i think a lot of the country's apathy with government spending is because we tend to forget the fact "it is our money".

    Believe automatic "Federal and State Withholding" in our paychecks contributes to the apathy. We tend to forget/ignore all the cash that is being quietly whisked away from us to the government coffers.

    Here is an idea. Give people their full gross pay in their paycheck. And then once a month everybody gets to sit down and write a check to the government for what they owe that period. Think the pattern consensus would be "WTF? You've be taking how much?? Where the hell is all this money going???!!!"


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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Great question. Great poll. And i think a lot of the country's apathy with government spending is because we tend to forget the fact "it is our money".

    Believe automatic "Federal and State Withholding" in our paychecks contributes to the apathy. We tend to forget/ignore all the cash that is being quietly whisked away from us to the government coffers.

    Here is an idea. Give people their full gross pay in their paycheck. And then once a month everybody gets to sit down and write a check to the government for what they owe that period. Think the pattern consensus would be "WTF? You've be taking how much?? Where the hell is all this money going???!!!"
    Why not once a year rather than every month, then you'll really feel it and really pay attention.
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    Re: Taxes: Whose money is it?

    It's the individuals entirely, the government doesn't partake in the labor that earns my wage. The collectivists mindset seems to think that the individual is reliant on the government, when it is in fact the government who is completely dependent on the individuals productivity.

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