Bargain With Iran

Mya · Feb 9, 2012

DiAnna said:
So you believe that America or Israel should actually stop Iran's nuclear weapons program by what... initiating a nuclear attack on Iran? Or are you just trying to be cute? Seriously, we need to know...

answer to first question is YES

answer to second question when some of you mention the word cute do you mean cute like this

:2razz: you bunch of geniuses ? :2razz:

Lethargic Aptitude · Feb 9, 2012

Mya said:
answer to first question is YES

answer to second question when some of you mention the word cute do you mean cute like this

:2razz: you bunch of geniuses ? :2razz:

Is it troll season again already?

Mya · Feb 9, 2012

FreedomFromAll said:
Is it troll season again already?

No. I am not a troll.

I am just a conscientious citizen who doesnt like Iran having nuclear weapons... and I am not the only one here who thinks like that!

Lethargic Aptitude · Feb 9, 2012

Mya said:
No. I am not a troll.

I am just a conscientious citizen who doesnt like Iran having nuclear weapons... and I am not the only one here who thinks like that!

Using Nukes is not the best interest of the US, well unless you wish to see our standing in the world dry up over night. In fact asserting that Iran needs to be nuked is just plain stupid. There is no tactical reasoning in using nukes on Iran period.

Mya · Feb 9, 2012

FreedomFromAll said:
Using Nukes is not the best interest of the US, well unless you wish to see our standing in the world dry up over night. In fact asserting that Iran needs to be nuked is just plain stupid. There is no tactical reasoning in using nukes on Iran period.

I respect your opinion of course. But it is coming ....4 or 5 months ... less may be? and we will see the light ... the nuclear light that is.

obvious Child · Feb 9, 2012

Catawba said:
I've noticed that about you.

Or facts. Or reason. Or Logic.

The simpliest way to defend your belief in your own mind is simply not to accept that your belief could possibly be wrong under any circumstances whatsoever.

digsbe · Feb 9, 2012

No, we should not take such a deal with a tiny theocracy. They stop their nukes regardless of what we do. They have an obligation under a treaty they voluntarily signed and we should not have to compromise to get them to keep agreements and not pursue nuclear weapons.

obvious Child · Feb 9, 2012

Mya said:
The main difference between Iran and Iraq, among other things, is that the Iranian Regime comprises of dedicated Islamic Fundamentalists, who are giving off all the signs of wanting a serious fight!

So much so that they always resort to proxy wars?

Iran does not want a regional conflict. But that same time they do want nukes partially for the same reason North Korea does.

And no one here has ever pointed to a single instance where the Mullahs risked their own lives and power. Using a nuke would end their regime.

Iran in isolation having a nuke is not a real big problem. It's everyone else in the region scrambling for one that is the real powder keg.

Mya · Feb 9, 2012

Iran has to be stopped and it will be stopped.

obvious Child · Feb 9, 2012

digsbe said:
No, we should not take such a deal with a tiny theocracy. They stop their nukes regardless of what we do. They have an obligation under a treaty they voluntarily signed and we should not have to compromise to get them to keep agreements and not pursue nuclear weapons.

The problem is we cannot absolutely prove they are building warheads. And the NPT never solidly dealt with enrichment. So Iran is operating in a legal grey zone. It is a sticking point with NPT members that some of them get to enrich and some don't. Essentially China, US, France, UK and Russia get to decide who can enrich and who can't and it's pretty damn arbitrary. The only real way to get around this is to revise the NPT to clarify enrichment. One historic proposal was to have a global "pool" of enrichment where no one can explicitly enrich for themselves and all waste comes back into a central pool for accounting. Essentially it would act as a gatekeeper preventing countries who don't have nukes from acquiring the capacity to produce warheads.

Mya · Feb 9, 2012

^^^
all will be cool don't worry obvious Child

obvious Child · Feb 9, 2012

Mya said:
Iran has to be stopped and it will be stopped.

Should I be surprised you have failed like the rest? I agree that Iran should be stopped, it's bad enough North Korea has nukes. The question is at what cost. Iran won't resort to a first use nuke. If they really wanted Israel gone they would have done so in the past with their historical massive stores of chemical weapons. If Iran can't even trust other Muslim nations with such chemical weapons to use them during several of the various Arab-Israeli wars, what makes you think they'd actually use a nuke? Especially since that Israel's capacity for retaliation is now at a all time high. Iran in isolation with a nuke isn't that bad. It's how others see that outcome that is the problem.

Mya · Feb 9, 2012

obvious Child said:
Should I be surprised you have failed like the rest? I agree that Iran should be stopped, it's bad enough North Korea has nukes. The question is at what cost. Iran won't resort to a first use nuke. If they really wanted Israel gone they would have done so in the past with their historical massive stores of chemical weapons. If Iran can't even trust other Muslim nations with such chemical weapons to use them during several of the various Arab-Israeli wars, what makes you think they'd actually use a nuke? Especially since that Israel's capacity for retaliation is now at a all time high. Iran in isolation with a nuke isn't that bad. It's how others see that outcome that is the problem.

Trust in the West obvious Child .... please trust .... have blind faith like me!

obvious Child · Feb 9, 2012

Mya said:
Trust in the West obvious Child .... please trust .... have blind faith like me!

If you have nothing more to add, stop posting.

You do not appear to understand Iran's political structure
You do not appear to understand Iran's history
You do not appear to understand Israel's capabilities
You do not appear to understand the NPT
You do not appear to understand Iran's facilities

Why again do you think you can discuss this topic intelligently?

Mya · Feb 9, 2012

obvious Child said:
If you have nothing more to add, stop posting.

You do not appear to understand Iran's political structure
You do not appear to understand Iran's history
You do not appear to understand Israel's capabilities
You do not appear to understand the NPT
You do not appear to understand Iran's facilities

Why again do you think you can discuss this topic intelligently?

but you did not mention the word cute????? :2razz:

But you are wrong when you say I don't understand Iran capabilities, I do only too well.... and that is why they will be taken out soon!

MoSurveyor · Feb 10, 2012

Catawba said:
Isreal has hundreds of nukes. They more than outmatch Iran in that regard.

I don't believe there's any evidence that Israel has even one nuke. I know there's a ton of speculation that they have nukes but no reliable source that I'm aware of will confirm that.

obvious Child · Feb 10, 2012

Mya said:
But you are wrong when you say I don't understand Iran capabilities, I do only too well.... and that is why they will be taken out soon!

How about you show you have an understanding more cursory then having the capacity to find Iran on a map?

You can say you understand, but until you show it you're just a blowhard.

Mya · Feb 10, 2012

obvious Child said:
How about you show you have an understanding more cursory then having the capacity to find Iran on a map?.....

I have to show you ziltch! you get that? My God what a nerve you have!

obvious Child · Feb 10, 2012

Mya said:
I have to show you ziltch! you get that? My God what a nerve you have!

I smell a socket puppet. Can I get the Ban Hammer down here?

Mya · Feb 10, 2012

obvious Child said:
I smell a socket puppet. Can I get the Ban Hammer down here?

and it is now that I understand why you called yourself obvious Child

obvious Child · Feb 10, 2012

Mya said:
and it is now that I understand why you called yourself obvious Child

Hope you don't mind losing your primary account at the same time!

Connery · Feb 10, 2012

obvious Child said:
If you have nothing more to add, stop posting.

You do not appear to understand Iran's political structure
You do not appear to understand Iran's history
You do not appear to understand Israel's capabilities
You do not appear to understand the NPT
You do not appear to understand Iran's facilities

Why again do you think you can discuss this topic intelligently?

Would you be so kind as to explain the aforementioned with citation and references. Primary sources please...

Connery · Feb 10, 2012

obvious Child said:
So much so that they always resort to proxy wars?

Iran does not want a regional conflict. But that same time they do want nukes partially for the same reason North Korea does.

And no one here has ever pointed to a single instance where the Mullahs risked their own lives and power. Using a nuke would end their regime.

Iran in isolation having a nuke is not a real big problem. It's everyone else in the region scrambling for one that is the real powder keg.

This is a rather naive point of view.The rest of the region fears Iran having nuclear weapons. Iran is views as a threat to peace.

In a study done by the "Arab American Institute six Arab nations poll show real concern with Iran’s current and future role in the region."

The poll surveys six Arab nations’ attitudes towards Iran and other Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) issues. The key finding is that a substantial majority of Arabs believe that Iran plays a negative role in both Iraq and the Arab Gulf region.

Executive Summary

• Most Arabs look askance at Iran's role across their region, with substantial majorities seeing Iran playing a negative role especially in Iraq, Bahrain and the Arab Gulf.

• Iran's favorable ratings have dropped significantly in recent years. It is seen as not contributing to "peace and stability in the Arab World" and there is scant support for Iran's nuclear program.

• Significant majorities desire that the Middle East become a "nuclear free zone". When asked if they "had to choose one nation other than Israel to be a nuclear power in the Middle East" - for most Arabs, Egypt is the preferred choice, followed by Turkey.

• There is regional support for the GCC's new and more assertive role in Bahrain, Yemen, and in their concern with Iran's nuclear program.

• Lebanon's attitudes toward Iran differ from the rest of the region, revealing a troubling sectarian divide.

• Overall, Turkey receives the highest favorable ratings in most Arab countries, with the U.S. Receiving the lowest rating in every country but Saudi Arabia, where Iran is lowest.

Arab Attitudes Toward Iran: 2011 | The Arab American Institute

Catawba · Feb 10, 2012

MoSurveyor said:
I don't believe there's any evidence that Israel has even one nuke. I know there's a ton of speculation that they have nukes but no reliable source that I'm aware of will confirm that.

"There is extensive evidence Israel has nuclear weapons or a near-ready nuclear weapons capability."

"According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel likely possesses around 75–200 nuclear weapons.[39][5] Imagery analysts can identify weapon bunkers, mobile missile launchers, and launch sites in satellite photographs.[citation needed] In May 2008, former US President Jimmy Carter stated that "Israel has 150 or more [nuclear weapons]."

List of states with nuclear weapons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Four years after the United States dropped atomic bombs on Japan in August 1945, the Soviet Union detonated its first nuclear device. The United Kingdom (1952), France (1960), and China (1964) followed. Seeking to prevent the nuclear weapon ranks from expanding further, the United States and other like-minded states negotiated the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968. In the decades since, several states have abandoned nuclear weapons programs, but others have defied the NPT. India, Israel, and Pakistan have never signed the treaty and possess nuclear arsenals."

Nuclear Weapons: Who Has What at a Glance | Arms Control Association

Latest data in 2009: Israel - Nuclear warheads - 200 (total)

Nuclear weapons: how many are there in 2009 and who has them? | World news | guardian.co.uk

Lethargic Aptitude · Feb 10, 2012

Catawba said:
"There is extensive evidence Israel has nuclear weapons or a near-ready nuclear weapons capability."

"According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel likely possesses around 75–200 nuclear weapons.[39][5] Imagery analysts can identify weapon bunkers, mobile missile launchers, and launch sites in satellite photographs.[citation needed] In May 2008, former US President Jimmy Carter stated that "Israel has 150 or more [nuclear weapons]."

List of states with nuclear weapons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Four years after the United States dropped atomic bombs on Japan in August 1945, the Soviet Union detonated its first nuclear device. The United Kingdom (1952), France (1960), and China (1964) followed. Seeking to prevent the nuclear weapon ranks from expanding further, the United States and other like-minded states negotiated the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968. In the decades since, several states have abandoned nuclear weapons programs, but others have defied the NPT. India, Israel, and Pakistan have never signed the treaty and possess nuclear arsenals."

Nuclear Weapons: Who Has What at a Glance | Arms Control Association

Latest data in 2009: Israel - Nuclear warheads - 200 (total)

Nuclear weapons: how many are there in 2009 and who has them? | World news | guardian.co.uk

Wouldnt it be funny if Israel was bluffing? Or some ironic humor lets invade Israel and see if they really have any WMD. I mean just like Iraq there are stories that say that they have WMD's.

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