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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    That's ridiculous. Oil is bought and sold in other currencies.. the Petro Dollar is a benchmark.

    And, Iran doesn't sell a great deal of oil... most of it goes to Europe and Asia..

    Iran's oil production is about 3.4 million bpd per day.. and only half of that is exported.

    oil is bought and sold in other currencies,but the us dollar is the main currency used.the focus with the petro dollar with iran and iraq was that after they swithced to euros,other countries would slowly fall suit and since our currency is directly related to oil,it allows us to print more money and have it still hold value because most major countries require dollars to buy oil.

    and basically in switching from the gold standard to the petro dollar and debt to maintain value,the united states and most major countries started a large ponzi scheme that will fail.war with iraq and dealing with iran is nothing more than hanging on to that scheme even longer.this is also why rich people like to invest in gold,if china dumps all our debt and all countries dropped the dollar for trading,the rich would still have precious metals while everyone else would have to keep a currency thats only worth the paper its printed on.for this reason the united states has a large gold reserve just incase the dollar fails,but that gold standard wouldnt be worth as much to the country in whole as inflated printable money.


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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    It's a little sad that, as of yet, nobody has mentioned that the Iranians have made several offers to suspend the pursuit of nuclear weapons, in exchange for some very modest assurances from Washington, or that Iran was the most vocal proponant of the FISSBAN treaty, to which the United States was the sole opposition.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Sure. If its proven that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons....


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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sure. If its proven that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons....
    Good point. Propaganda abounds with this issue.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    That's ridiculous. Oil is bought and sold in other currencies.. the Petro Dollar is a benchmark.

    And, Iran doesn't sell a great deal of oil... most of it goes to Europe and Asia..

    Iran's oil production is about 3.4 million bpd per day.. and only half of that is exported.
    Tell that to Saddam Hussein....

    ...oh, wait you can't. He started trading crude oil for Euros and ended up dancing on the end of a rope.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Tell that to Saddam Hussein....

    ...oh, wait you can't. He started trading crude oil for Euros and ended up dancing on the end of a rope.


    exaCTLY.neither iran nor iraq was enough to derail our currency but both of them tried to convince other countries to join.when your top dog and someone challenges your position,no matter how weak they are the usual response is to obliterate them,if for nothing else but to leave a message to others planning to defy you.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Simply put, if Iran offered to end their nuclear program if we dismantled some of our nuclear weapons, would you take the offer?


    ... and the simple answer is no.

    As Iran is an unreliable negotiating partner any such offer would not be acceptable.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Simply put, if Iran offered to end their nuclear program if we dismantled some of our nuclear weapons, would you take the offer?
    Sure...I'd take that offer. I'd dismantle a couple of nukes...right on top of their heads.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Why does it matter that if Iran had a nuclear weapon again? If both countries neighboring mine got invaded, then I'd do everything I can for protection.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Iran is completely surrounded by American bases or direct-allied countries now.

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    Do you think they're going to give up their only chance to have real deterrence against invasion?

    Don't kid yourself about bargaining. The U.S. wants to get in there before the deterrence is realized. The business contracts and resource control it would grant our country would be unparallelled. With the completion of the trans middle eastern pipeline system, under the control of the U.S., we would be able to challenge OPEC and reduce our own oil prices in the process.

    Any attempt to bargain with Iran will be done to save face. They are the missing puzzle piece. It's just a matter of time before we invade. I'm not commenting on whether this is a good or bad thing, but the reality of the situation.

    If anything, I would say that this reflects the supreme power of our business sector to control both American and world economy. They are literally reshaping nations, often by force, in order to apply their economic hegemony to new parts of the world. I find it scary.

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