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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Still talking in those "highly unlikely" terms? In other words it's just conjecture, no fact.

    Israel has it's own cruise missile, the Popeye, that could theoretically carry nukes. In fact, the US military has bought a few of them. What the advantage of the Harpoon is over the Popeye I don't know but it isn't as simple as being able to carry a nuke since Israel already had that capability. None of that matters, anyway - not all of our Harpoons carry nukes so they are obviously used for conventional warfare, too.

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    You might want to check some other sources on that news item, too. Most of them don't say "cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads" they say "nuclear capable cruise missiles" - big difference! Obviously the article was slanted to stir the pot and promote fear, not report the facts.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Still talking in those "highly unlikely" terms? In other words it's just conjecture, no fact.
    Jailing him over non-nuclear secrets would be a bit harsh. Furthermore, if Israel didn't have nukes, why did they resort to all sorts of tricks like sealing up doors right before plant inspections?

    Furthermore, considering the whole "never again" mantra of Israel, chemical weapons are not sufficient as a deterrent and Israel simply lacks the conventional military strength to knock out all of its enemies in a single strike. While it's possible they don't have nukes, that's about as likely as finding magical space pandas in the sun.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Please. Show me a US traitor that's still walking the streets. And Israel takes things like that a LOT more seriously than we do.

    Israel has managed pretty good in the wars with it's neighbors so far - and without nukes. You'd think they were the Chosen People or something! LOL!
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So you have proof of Israels nukes? Please share it with the world.

    Wouldn't someone that is bluffing that they have a gun in their pocket also act as if they really did? Like I said it is possible that Israel has nukes, and most likely they do. But I will remain agnostic on the idea up until there is proof. Just like how I didnt believe that Iraq had any WMD's up until it was determined they did not.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Let me get this straight..... They wanna reason with a bunch of religious fanatics. Talk them into something good for the entire world (them included) Then hope that they keep their word and not build any nukes.

    Well I can tell you from experience "reason with a bunch of religious fanatics" is an epic fail waiting to happen.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    If Israel doesn't have nukes, where does that leave Vanunu???

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Jailing him over non-nuclear secrets would be a bit harsh. Furthermore, if Israel didn't have nukes, why did they resort to all sorts of tricks like sealing up doors right before plant inspections?

    Furthermore, considering the whole "never again" mantra of Israel, chemical weapons are not sufficient as a deterrent and Israel simply lacks the conventional military strength to knock out all of its enemies in a single strike. While it's possible they don't have nukes, that's about as likely as finding magical space pandas in the sun.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Please. Show me a US traitor that's still walking the streets.
    the New York Times Reporters who publicized TS Collection methods being successfully employed against members of the international Al-Qaeda trunk cell. neither the collections platform nor the means were illegal, as the NYT admitted, but it materially aided the enemy by giving him a capability study of our collection and enabled him to enhance his targeting efforts through effective CounterIntel.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the New York Times Reporters who publicized TS Collection methods being successfully employed against members of the international Al-Qaeda trunk cell. neither the collections platform nor the means were illegal, as the NYT admitted, but it materially aided the enemy by giving him a capability study of our collection and enabled him to enhance his targeting efforts through effective CounterIntel.
    And this person was working for which branch of the government? Or did they steal some documents? When was their trial and in which court?
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it materially aided the enemy by giving him a capability study of our collection and enabled him to enhance his targeting efforts through effective CounterIntel.
    Someone pass that to you in the pentagon? Or did you come up with it all by yourself?

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    I already established that I believe that Israel probably does have nukes. And yes I have seen this link before. . At best the evidence for Israeli nukes is old (1975, 1986), which could mean that Israel may or may not still have usable nukes. Hence why I was talking about them bluffing. So I remain skeptical, which is not a big deal. And for the record I do not particularly like the Israeli government.

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