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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And still no credible source has proof Israel is a nuclear power.
    If Israel doesn't have nukes, why did they throw the Diamona whistleblower in jail?
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

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    If Israel doesn't have nukes, why did they throw the Diamona whistleblower in jail?
    If some US worker from one of our nuclear testing and research facilities started blabbing to the World Press we'd throw them in jail, too. It's also suspected that Dimona produces depleted uranium for use in military applications. You don't think there are secrets they might want kept about some of that stuff, too? Plenty of reasons to throw a traitor in jail, nukes not required.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Israel's Nuclear Weapon Capability: An Overview

    The Risk Report
    Volume 2 Number 4 (July-August 1996).

    "Today, Israel is the world's sixth most powerful nuclear state, with a stockpile of more than 100 nuclear weapons and with the components and ability to build atomic, neutron and hydrogen bombs. Israel's nuclear program began and still operates under tight secrecy, but in the 1980s a series of revelations showed the crucial role played by foreign suppliers.

    France launched Israel on the nuclear path in the late 1950s by building the Dimona reactor, which is still the source of Israel's plutonium--its main nuclear weapon fuel. The reactor's heavy water, essential to achieve a chain reaction, was supplied by Norway in 1959. In 1963, when the reactor started operation, the United States supplied four more tons of heavy water.

    Israel got other nuclear help from the United States, which also supplied a small 5-megawatt (thermal) research reactor at Nahal Soreq. The reactor started in 1960, but cannot produce significant quantities of plutonium. Instead, the reactor offered an early training ground for Israeli nuclear technicians. Later in the 1960s, Israel was widely thought to have smuggled more than 100 kilograms of highly enriched uranium out of a nuclear materials plant in Pennsylvania."

    "in 1968 the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reported to President Lyndon Johnson its conclusion that Israel had already made an atomic bomb. In 1969, Israel limited inspection visits by U.S. scientists to such an extent that the Americans complained in writing. Without explanation, the Nixon administration ended the visits the following year.

    The CIA continued to report on Israel's nuclear weapon progress during the 1970s. In a September 1974 memorandum, "Prospects for Further Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons," the CIA cited "Israeli acquisition of large quantities of uranium, partly by clandestine means" as further evidence that "Israel already has produced nuclear weapons." The CIA also cited Israeli missile development as evidence that Israel had made nuclear weapons--the CIA said the Jericho made little sense as a conventional missile and was "designed to accommodate nuclear warheads." In a February 1976 report to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, CIA Deputy Director for Science and Technology Carl Duckett reported that Israel was already making bombs with plutonium produced in its Dimona reactor."

    Israel's Nuclear Weapon Capability: An Overview
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    You're singing to the choir, here. Plenty of people believe it - hell, I believe it! - and most act on that belief but it's still not a fact. Israel has done a pretty good job of keeping their nuclear capability ambiguous and they've kept it up for over 40 years. You've got to give them credit for that.

    If Israel is particularly smart what they've got is bombs with no cores - and cores stored somewhere else with a different group of people having access to those. That way they can in all honesty say they have no nuclear weapons.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Israel's Nuclear Weapon Capability: An Overview

    The Risk Report
    Volume 2 Number 4 (July-August 1996).

    "Today, Israel is the world's sixth most powerful nuclear state, with a stockpile of more than 100 nuclear weapons and with the components and ability to build atomic, neutron and hydrogen bombs. Israel's nuclear program began and still operates under tight secrecy, but in the 1980s a series of revelations showed the crucial role played by foreign suppliers.

    France launched Israel on the nuclear path in the late 1950s by building the Dimona reactor, which is still the source of Israel's plutonium--its main nuclear weapon fuel. The reactor's heavy water, essential to achieve a chain reaction, was supplied by Norway in 1959. In 1963, when the reactor started operation, the United States supplied four more tons of heavy water.

    Israel got other nuclear help from the United States, which also supplied a small 5-megawatt (thermal) research reactor at Nahal Soreq. The reactor started in 1960, but cannot produce significant quantities of plutonium. Instead, the reactor offered an early training ground for Israeli nuclear technicians. Later in the 1960s, Israel was widely thought to have smuggled more than 100 kilograms of highly enriched uranium out of a nuclear materials plant in Pennsylvania."

    "in 1968 the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reported to President Lyndon Johnson its conclusion that Israel had already made an atomic bomb. In 1969, Israel limited inspection visits by U.S. scientists to such an extent that the Americans complained in writing. Without explanation, the Nixon administration ended the visits the following year.

    The CIA continued to report on Israel's nuclear weapon progress during the 1970s. In a September 1974 memorandum, "Prospects for Further Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons," the CIA cited "Israeli acquisition of large quantities of uranium, partly by clandestine means" as further evidence that "Israel already has produced nuclear weapons." The CIA also cited Israeli missile development as evidence that Israel had made nuclear weapons--the CIA said the Jericho made little sense as a conventional missile and was "designed to accommodate nuclear warheads." In a February 1976 report to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, CIA Deputy Director for Science and Technology Carl Duckett reported that Israel was already making bombs with plutonium produced in its Dimona reactor."

    Israel's Nuclear Weapon Capability: An Overview
    Well then that should mean that you find credibility in this link since its the same people. WPONAC: Iran's Nuclear Program

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You're singing to the choir, here. Plenty of people believe it - hell, I believe it! - and most act on that belief but it's still not a fact. Israel has done a pretty good job of keeping their nuclear capability ambiguous and they've kept it up for over 40 years. You've got to give them credit for that.

    If Israel is particularly smart what they've got is bombs with no cores - and cores stored somewhere else with a different group of people having access to those. That way they can in all honesty say they have no nuclear weapons.
    There is more proof of Israel's nukes than of Iran's. That's what is significant.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is more proof of Israel's nukes than of Iran's. That's what is significant.
    I'm not particularly worried about Israel. Except for some esoteric debate we could get into about who started the Six Day War I don't think Israel has ever attacked anyone, though they have defended themselves a lot.

    I also don't think anyone (with sense) is saying Iran has nukes. What everyone is trying to avoid is the possibility of them ever having them. So if you're asking "Do you think Iran should have nuclear equality with Israel?" I guess my answer would have to be "No" based on the history of the two countries.

    Note that I also don't think we'll be able to keep them out of Iran's hands forever. Eventually they'll get them one way or another and we should prepare for that day.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm not particularly worried about Israel. Except for some esoteric debate we could get into about who started the Six Day War I don't think Israel has ever attacked anyone, though they have defended themselves a lot.
    The reason it was brought up was to show that Israel could defend itself in a nuclear standoff with Iran.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The reason it was brought up was to show that Israel could defend itself in a nuclear standoff with Iran.
    Gotcha! LOL!
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If some US worker from one of our nuclear testing and research facilities started blabbing to the World Press we'd throw them in jail, too. It's also suspected that Dimona produces depleted uranium for use in military applications. You don't think there are secrets they might want kept about some of that stuff, too? Plenty of reasons to throw a traitor in jail, nukes not required.
    Considering all he talked about was Israel's nuclear weapons program, that's highly unlikely. Beside depleted uranium is hardly a new thing.

    And don't forget they were working on special mounts for harpoon missiles for their Dolphins.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/12/israel1
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