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Thread: Bargain With Iran

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    No, once again:



    That is saying there is evidence.
    And the UN has interpreted this "evidence" to be an imminent threat?
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Iran is completely surrounded by American bases or direct-allied countries now.


    Do you think they're going to give up their only chance to have real deterrence against invasion?

    Don't kid yourself about bargaining. The U.S. wants to get in there before the deterrence is realized. The business contracts and resource control it would grant our country would be unparallelled. With the completion of the trans middle eastern pipeline system, under the control of the U.S., we would be able to challenge OPEC and reduce our own oil prices in the process.

    Any attempt to bargain with Iran will be done to save face. They are the missing puzzle piece. It's just a matter of time before we invade. I'm not commenting on whether this is a good or bad thing, but the reality of the situation.

    If anything, I would say that this reflects the supreme power of our business sector to control both American and world economy. They are literally reshaping nations, often by force, in order to apply their economic hegemony to new parts of the world. I find it scary.
    EXACTLY!

    We never seem to want to put ourselves in anybody else's shoes when it comes to foreign policy. The desire for a nuclear weapon is rational for Iran because they see quite clearly the potential threat the U.S. and its allies are to them. I'd cut a deal for sure, along with getting the hell out of the middle east. Let Israel handle their own problems (especially since they have told us so many times that they can).

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As we found out the hard way in Iraq, technical violations of protocol does not equate to a threat to the US.
    I don't think it is entirely fair to relate this to Iraq. In Iraq, they fully agreed to Resolution 1441 and allowed inspectors into the country. Those IAEA inspectors found no indication of resumed nuclear activities on March 7th, 2003, just prior to the invasion. There had been no inspection done in the country for years before hand. Iran has been in the spotlight for a while now and has not been fully compliant with the IAEA or the multiple UN Security council resolutions (which is why there are economic sanctions on the country), and the IAEA now says it has credible evidence they are pursuing nuclear weapons.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And the UN has interpreted this "evidence" to be an imminent threat?
    The UN has determined that "proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, as well as their means of delivery, continues to constitute a threat to international peace and security." Hence the reason for the NPT in the first place.

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Relevant to does not mean necessarily so. Again, do we really want to get into a war again if we're not completely certain?
    At the moment we want to keep the pressure on Iran, keep them under the microscope, and not rule that out as an option. War right now, this minute, no. But we can't exactly tell them that either. Also, waiting till they actually have a bomb is too late, Israel most likely will preemptively attack if it gets that imminent. Guess what, they are our allie. That means we fight too. Its a little more sophisticated than, "we should just mind our own business."

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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As we found out the hard way in Iraq, technical violations of protocol does not equate to a threat to the US.
    True, but Iraq wasn't actively building hardened secret facilities, using centrifuges copied from AQ Khan, enriching well beyond what any civilian facility needs in sufficient quantities and building breeder reactors.

    Iraq was a pack of lies where the technical evidence did not support Bush's assertion. To this date the logistical trail simply does not exist for Iraqi WMD. Iran on the other hand....
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I don't think it is entirely fair to relate this to Iraq. In Iraq, they fully agreed to Resolution 1441 and allowed inspectors into the country. Those IAEA inspectors found no indication of resumed nuclear activities on March 7th, 2003, just prior to the invasion. There had been no inspection done in the country for years before hand. Iran has been in the spotlight for a while now and has not been fully compliant with the IAEA or the multiple UN Security council resolutions (which is why there are economic sanctions on the country), and the IAEA now says it has credible evidence they are pursuing nuclear weapons.
    The fact that Iran is essentially pulling a Dimona act is a big fat sign they're trying to build nukes.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    EXACTLY!

    We never seem to want to put ourselves in anybody else's shoes when it comes to foreign policy. The desire for a nuclear weapon is rational for Iran because they see quite clearly the potential threat the U.S. and its allies are to them. I'd cut a deal for sure, along with getting the hell out of the middle east. Let Israel handle their own problems (especially since they have told us so many times that they can).
    Despite the raving lunatic rants of many people here, I don't actually have a problem with Iran itself acquiring a nuke. The Mullahs are anything but insane. Everything they have done since their power grab has been calculated and mostly rational (they probably should have agreed to the cease fire during the Iran-Iraq war, but one can't make every decision perfectly). No one has EVER been able to show how Iran's leaders who have had plenty of chemical weapons in the past yet refused to use them on Israel are actually trying to get themselves killed. The bigger threat is everyone else in the region rushing for nukes.
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    The UN has determined that "proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, as well as their means of delivery, continues to constitute a threat to international peace and security." Hence the reason for the NPT in the first place.
    And their decision to strike Iran? When was that made?
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    Re: Bargain With Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And their decision to strike Iran? When was that made?
    The UN has not decided 'strike' Iran. According to the UN watch dog there is credible evidence Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. The UN has imposed numerous economic sanctions to try to pursued Iran to cooperate and is doing because it has found Iran in violation of NPT. Those are the facts which I have repeatedly said in this thread. I don't know what your question pertains to in our argument.

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