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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    We participate in the U.N. and dictatorships along with Juntas and other unstable governments still mock it. The biggest problem with the U.N. is that they care more about the laws of member nations than actually getting problems taken care of. World gun control is a bigger issue to the U.N. than getting past the political handicap that keeps NATO forces from properly engaging hostiles.

    since the formation of the UN mass global conflict has been avoided, many dicators have fallen thanks to UN actions and relative stability has been sustainted. Of course the UN has its faults and Ruwanda and Dafur can testify that but joint efforts like in the balklands makes the UN worth while. More work has to be done but so far its doing its job.

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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    since the formation of the UN mass global conflict has been avoided, many dicators have fallen thanks to UN actions and relative stability has been sustainted. Of course the UN has its faults and Ruwanda and Dafur can testify that but joint efforts like in the balklands makes the UN worth while. More work has to be done but so far its doing its job.
    I completely disagree. The U.N. was basically helpless when Saddam Hussein threw out their weapons inspectors, their relief efforts in Africa were useless(I do agree with that), many of the toppled dictators held power for decades under U.N. scrutiny. As well the U.N. tends to pick sides on politics using one sided and half finished data, it does not respect national sovereignity which is a problem.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I completely disagree. The U.N. was basically helpless when Saddam Hussein threw out their weapons inspectors, their relief efforts in Africa were useless(I do agree with that), many of the toppled dictators held power for decades under U.N. scrutiny. As well the U.N. tends to pick sides on politics using one sided and half finished data, it does not respect national sovereignity which is a problem.
    Saddam threw out the bomb inspectors and broke the rules during the 90's and what did we do, we bombed them aka desert fox 1998

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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Saddam threw out the bomb inspectors and broke the rules during the 90's and what did we do, we bombed them aka desert fox 1998
    This is true, we bombed them in a pretty half-assed attempt to rattle a few cages. I have revised some of my criticisms of Clinton over the years since we have had some pretty messed up leadership lately, but his choices of action were pretty lousy when it came to use of force.
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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This is true, we bombed them in a pretty half-assed attempt to rattle a few cages. I have revised some of my criticisms of Clinton over the years since we have had some pretty messed up leadership lately, but his choices of action were pretty lousy when it came to use of force.
    did the job though and of course the rest is history. I dont disagree with you that the UN has to take a more agressive stance on certain conflicts ( syria right now) but I dont think that the west would benefit from getting of of the UN. In many pleaces the UN act as a silent but visable force and I know a few lads that had to serve in the UN and let me tell you I have a lot of respect for those guys who have to stand their and take **** and can't fire back because that takes balls. No one country is responisble enought to take on global issues alone, we need each other.

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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    did the job though and of course the rest is history. I dont disagree with you that the UN has to take a more agressive stance on certain conflicts ( syria right now) but I dont think that the west would benefit from getting of of the UN. In many pleaces the UN act as a silent but visable force and I know a few lads that had to serve in the UN and let me tell you I have a lot of respect for those guys who have to stand their and take **** and can't fire back because that takes balls. No one country is responisble enought to take on global issues alone, we need each other.
    I don't think we are too far away from each other on this. If the U.N. would improve what it does not do well and stay out of non-threatening internal affairs of countries they would be salvageable. As they stand at this moment I personally feel they are not in our best interest.
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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't think we are too far away from each other on this. If the U.N. would improve what it does not do well and stay out of non-threatening internal affairs of countries they would be salvageable. As they stand at this moment I personally feel they are not in our best interest.
    so what steps would need need to make in order to be useful, in your opinion?

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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    so what steps would need need to make in order to be useful, in your opinion?
    For starters, no more binding political treaties on certain topics such as healthcare in developed nations, gun control, the various "justices", and climate change. For these purposes most countries just write in their own loopholes while sticking it to the other members. NATO should be empowered to fully kick the asses of any immediate threats such as rogue dictators or other such regimes, UNICEF and other U.N. bodies are fine as long as they are held fully acountable and audited regularly. Off the top of my head that would fix a lot of problems.
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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    For starters, no more binding political treaties on certain topics such as healthcare in developed nations, gun control, the various "justices", and climate change. For these purposes most countries just write in their own loopholes while sticking it to the other members. NATO should be empowered to fully kick the asses of any immediate threats such as rogue dictators or other such regimes, UNICEF and other U.N. bodies are fine as long as they are held fully acountable and audited regularly. Off the top of my head that would fix a lot of problems.
    I agree with this, but lets say Nato says right we hit Syria ( with UN consent) would you be in favor of US forces being used or would you need a vote in congress?
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    Re: Is the UN a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I agree with this, but lets say Nato says right we hit Syria ( with UN consent) would you be in favor of US forces being used or would you need a vote in congress?
    I'm undecided on that opinion. I guess it would come down to a few factors such as: How good is the intel., We did sign a pact so we are obligated to a degree, does the operation have a timeframe allowing for the police action exemption in the war powers act and if not how quickly can congress act. Things along that nature.

    EDIT: Forgot one factor, what are the ROE. If our guys can't shoot back forget it, I don't want our countrymen getting killed because they are handcuffed where the enemy is not.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 02-05-12 at 03:26 AM.
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