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Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

Are Conservatives Pro-Life or Anti-Choice

  • Pro-Life

    Votes: 11 55.0%
  • Anti-Choice

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .

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Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.
 
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Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.
The goal is absolutely to preserve life, but anti-choice policies are necessary to make that happen.
 
The goal is absolutely to preserve life, but anti-choice policies are necessary to make that happen.
Too wishy washy. It'd be better to say The goal is absolutely to preserve life, and pro-life policies are necessary to make it happen.
 
Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.

Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being pro-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.
 
Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.
I don't think that it is an anti-choice issue. I do not believe that a party that is determined to lessen government control would completely contradict their political belief unless they felt the issue was morally wrong.
 
Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being pro-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.

I agree with you're last statement, but the problem I have with calling it pro or anti abortion rights is it assumes that abortion is a right and the only issue is whether you're pro that right or not. Otherwise it would be just as correct to say it's "pro right to life" vs "anti right to life".
 
Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being pro-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.
I disagree. Birth takes precedent, as birth happens first. It's ludicrous to say that some angry female can make it about hostility toward unborn human babies.
 
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Too general. Lots of conservatives are pro-choice, just not many of the religious wingnuts.
 
I would call it anti-choice. When someone crusades desperately to limit your rights and options, that's as anti- as you can get.
 
Too general. Lots of conservatives are pro-choice, just not many of the religious wingnuts.
Too irrelevant. This thread isn't about conservatives being pro-choice.
 
I would call it anti-choice. When someone crusades desperately to limit your rights and options, that's as anti- as you can get.
I wouldn't. When someone crusades to preserve human life, that's about being pro-life, not pro-choice (abortion).
 
Why do we need another abortion poll?
 
Probably some of each. Some people truly think that every single life is sacred. Others think that sperm is more important than women are.
 
Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.

That is it as a political issue. Some pro-lifers are not seeking to make it illegal - and most (not all) on both sides allow exceptions for abortion and prohibitions against it (late term).

As a non-legal question, is is whether abortion is immoral or a woman's right? And then, again, what exceptions both ways if any.

A viable question is what makes anti-abortion "conservative?" Generally, conservative means limited government, big military, and focus on self reliance individually than collectivism.

How does any of that lead to anti-abortion?

The media as SOOOO neatly divided all politics into 3 camps - conservative, liberal and kooks - with exactly the list of what each one then must be - that people have actually have come to accept that list as real and accurate.
 
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Address it on the abortion board next time if you MUST start a thread or poll on it, ok?

Do you have some sort of authority here we should be aware of?
 
Do you have some sort of authority here we should be aware of?

No.

I deleted my message to amend it:

"I respectfully request that polls and new threads on an abortion topic be posted on the abortion board. Scattering them leads to too much redundancy and difficulty finding threads in my opinion."

Is that better?
 
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Neither. I think the issue boils down to one side being pro-abortion rights, the other side being anti-abortion rights. To put it another way, one side("pro-choice") believes abortion is a right and should be legal, the other side("pro-life") feels abortion should not be a right and should not be legal. Euphemisms aside, the division boils down to whether abortion should be legal.
Agreed. I detest the euphemisms in the abortion debate. IMO, they only serve to cloud the issue even further. For example, I am not aware of a single person who has ever had a medical procedure known specifically and technically as a "choice".

The procedure and issue has a valid and perfectly acceptable name: abortion. If one wanted to be accurate, albeit wordy, about it, the two sides would be "pro legalized abortion" and "anti legalized abortion". Now, if we were all adults about it... hold on, I'm sorry, I have to do something... :lamo :2razz: :lol:... there, that's better... anyway, if we were all adults about it we could shorten those to "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion", and know that they mean in the legal sense, with no down-the-rabbit-hole meaning beyond that. *sigh* Alas, those who like the euphemisms aren't interested in accuracy. :(


Why do we need another abortion poll?
Because some things just don't go away.
 
No.

I deleted my message to amend it:

"I respectfully request that polls and new threads on an abortion topic be posted on the abortion board. Scattering them leads to too much redundancy and difficulty finding threads in my opinion."

Is that better?

Yes, that is much better. In fact, I actually agree with that.
 
I personal think it should be up to the mother. She's the one that has to go thru the pregnancy and actually give birth. Why would anyone else have the right to tell her what she should or shouldn't have to go thru in life. I know some of the choices that we've seen made are not pretty but as sick as it is they are the ones that have to live with their choices and suffer the consequences of their choices. I think we should work towards how it should be and deal with the sad cases as we have too.

I think all the time and effort spent in debating and lobbying and stepping on individual rights should be spent on educating these girls and showing them what they cause ppls lives to be like when then make the different decisions. Give them something to do rather allow them to simply follow their desires. Should parents allow kids to eat and eat until they are so fat they can barely walk? No, the government has stopped parents from being parents and kids just follow their desires rather than learn a little before they hit life hard and end up in the gutter.
 
Agreed. I detest the euphemisms in the abortion debate. IMO, they only serve to cloud the issue even further. For example, I am not aware of a single person who has ever had a medical procedure known specifically and technically as a "choice".

The procedure and issue has a valid and perfectly acceptable name: abortion. If one wanted to be accurate, albeit wordy, about it, the two sides would be "pro legalized abortion" and "anti legalized abortion". Now, if we were all adults about it... hold on, I'm sorry, I have to do something... :lamo :2razz: :lol:... there, that's better... anyway, if we were all adults about it we could shorten those to "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion", and know that they mean in the legal sense, with no down-the-rabbit-hole meaning beyond that. *sigh* Alas, those who like the euphemisms aren't interested in accuracy. :(



Because some things just don't go away.

Around the circle we go again... No pro-choicer is pro-abortion.

I think it best to use the phrase each side MOST prefers. That is pro-life (though an arguable phrase) for those who oppose abortion and pro-choice for those who believe abortion is the woman's decision. Those who oppose abortion believe that is "pro-life" and those who believe it a woman's choice prefer "pro-choice."

I am absolutely "pro-choice" and absolutely not "pro-abortion." EVERYONE knows what Pro-life and Pro-choice means and neither side is insulted by those. "Pro-abortion" is both a lie and insult.

Nor do all Pro-lifers want abortion outlawed. Rather, they believe it is immoral but not a matter for government criminal laws. Outside of activists, I suspect much of the general public who are abstractly "pro-life" don't want women going to jail for it. In short, it really isn't just an issue of legalisms, but also morality. A person can be "anti-homosexuality," but that doesn't mean they want it made criminally illegal.
 
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I personal think it should be up to the mother. She's the one that has to go thru the pregnancy and actually give birth. Why would anyone else have the right to tell her what she should or shouldn't have to go thru in life. I know some of the choices that we've seen made are not pretty but as sick as it is they are the ones that have to live with their choices and suffer the consequences of their choices. I think we should work towards how it should be and deal with the sad cases as we have too.

I think all the time and effort spent in debating and lobbying and stepping on individual rights should be spent on educating these girls and showing them what they cause ppls lives to be like when then make the different decisions. Give them something to do rather allow them to simply follow their desires. Should parents allow kids to eat and eat until they are so fat they can barely walk? No, the government has stopped parents from being parents and kids just follow their desires rather than learn a little before they hit life hard and end up in the gutter.
Not one word about the guy that might be on the hook for child support for 18+ years.


Around the circle we go again... No pro-choicer is pro-abortion.

I think it best to use the phrase each side MOST prefers. That is pro-life (though an arguable phrase) for those who oppose abortion and pro-choice for those who believe abortion is the woman's decision. Those who oppose abortion believe that is "pro-life" and those who believe it a woman's choice prefer "pro-choice."

I am absolutely "pro-choice" and absolutely not "pro-abortion." EVERYONE knows what Pro-life and Pro-choice means and neither side is insulted by those. "Pro-abortion" is both a lie and insult.

Nor do all Pro-lifers want abortion outlawed. Rather, they believe is is immoral but not a matter for government criminal laws. Outside of activists, I suspect much of the general public who are abstractly "pro-life" don't want women going to jail for it. In short, it really isn't just an issue of legalisms, but also morality.
My point has been proven. That was quick. Thank you. :2wave:
 
I do not know one person who is pro-abortion. Pro-Choice is just as it says: supporting women to have the right to choose. Just because you agree with having a choice does not mean you are wanting women to run down and get the blob sucked out-what it means is that if they want to free their body of it? They should be able to.
 
Not one word about the guy that might be on the hook for child support for 18+ years.



My point has been proven. That was quick. Thank you. :2wave:

I disagree. Let me say first that, I do agree however with your point of mentioning the father. That is a topic that would have to be discussed as among many, many others once a compromise could be made on this point. Either way, I think by the time you get to trying to classify it in a pro-life, pro-choice or a pro-abortion thing you have already went too far and have to step back and realize you are completely trampling the civil or natural rights of a female. You are completely disregarding them in my opinion. If you are a Christian or religious person I thought God gave you the right to chose? Not others...
 
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Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.

It's a term that only applies to abortion, so, whatever floats your boat I guess.

I don't support all life (very pro capital punishment) and I don't oppose all choices (I give a lot of options to the home owners), neither label applies broadly.
 
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