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    18 51.43%
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Thread: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

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    Re: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    this is unadulterated hogwash... it's simply a lie.... a willfully stated falsehood....etc..etc..etc.
    No it is not. Republicans vote against social programs pretty much all the time. To suggest otherwise is delusional.

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    Re: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    Are conservatives anti-choice, or are we truly about preserving life? Which one is it? Let's get quibbling.
    Are you serious...obviously not.

    If you really wanted to make your position clear you might have simply stated "Conservatives are Anti-choice and Pro-Life" This is a useless poll, and instead is a commentary.

    Both the options are loaded and blatantly biased...this coming from a Pro Choice advocate.

    Seriously, if you want to help your own side in this issue....just freakin' stop typing.

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    Re: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

    Speaking in generalities here...

    Republicans view the fetus as a child and as such vested in rights. Republican's believe that a legitimate role of the state is the protection of those that can not protect themselves (for example, you don't see Republicans arguing that Parents should be able to truly physically abuse their kids without government involvement [not talking about a swat on the butt here]). As such, in their view the issue is whether or not the state should intervene in the case of a mother choosing to kill a child. As such, their position absolutely is "pro-life" not "anti-choice". To state they were anti-choice one would need to suggest those who are for child protection laws are "anti-choice" because they disallow a parents right to choose how to discpline their child. Based on the view point of the issue of Republicans, "pro-life" is the more accurate term to reflect what they ACTUALLY think.

    Similarly.

    Democrats view the fetus as something not yet able to be considered a child and not able to have the full rights and privledges that a person gets. As such, its "rights" and the need for the government to protect them falls beneath the rights of the woman with regards to what does or doesn't happen to her body. As such, based on their view of the situation, it is more accurate to call them "pro-choice" rather than "anti-life". They are not against the notion of life, but rather feel that there is no "right" to life on the part of the fetus because it has not gotten to the point where it would be vested with such rights. Based on their actual view point, "Pro-choice" is the more accurate term for Democrats.

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    Re: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    None of the dictionary entries cited below defines "pro-abortion" as"mean[ing] that you want *EVERY* pregnancy to end in abortion."
    Its a situation I think similar to when people suggest Republicans are "pro-war" and they try to suggest they're actually in favor of a strong national defense. Its a technically correct term that is used not because its technically correct but because it provides a somewhat dishonest connotation...such as suggesting the person is actually in favor of ABORTIONS and not simply in favor if it being legal or that someone is actually in favor of WAR and not simply in favor of actively persuing our national defense. If people who used "pro-abortion" actually came across as using it do to the literal definition of it and not as a cheap emotional political ploy then perhaps it wouldn't be reacted to in the fashion it typically is...however those same people rarely give any reason to buy the fact that they care about using the literal definitions of things.

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    Re: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Speaking in generalities here...

    Republicans view the fetus as a child and as such vested in rights. Republican's believe that a legitimate role of the state is the protection of those that can not protect themselves (for example, you don't see Republicans arguing that Parents should be able to truly physically abuse their kids without government involvement [not talking about a swat on the butt here]). As such, in their view the issue is whether or not the state should intervene in the case of a mother choosing to kill a child. As such, their position absolutely is "pro-life" not "anti-choice". To state they were anti-choice one would need to suggest those who are for child protection laws are "anti-choice" because they disallow a parents right to choose how to discpline their child. Based on the view point of the issue of Republicans, "pro-life" is the more accurate term to reflect what they ACTUALLY think.

    Similarly.

    Democrats view the fetus as something not yet able to be considered a child and not able to have the full rights and privledges that a person gets. As such, its "rights" and the need for the government to protect them falls beneath the rights of the woman with regards to what does or doesn't happen to her body. As such, based on their view of the situation, it is more accurate to call them "pro-choice" rather than "anti-life". They are not against the notion of life, but rather feel that there is no "right" to life on the part of the fetus because it has not gotten to the point where it would be vested with such rights. Based on their actual view point, "Pro-choice" is the more accurate term for Democrats.
    You're citing party platforms, not actually all voters for those political parties. Many Republican voters are pro-choice. If you explore back in time, the main reason Republican establishment in the 80s tried to keep the religious rightwing out foremost was not wanting to commit the Republican Party to being "pro-life."

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    Re: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You're citing party platforms, not actually all voters for those political parties. Many Republican voters are pro-choice.
    I know........

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Speaking in generalities here...

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    Re: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    as an aside.. i've heard numerous people here say that no one is pro-abortion.. not one pro-choicer is in favor of abortion...etc.
    that is demonstrably false.... every single woman who consents to an abortion is, by definition, pro-abortion... even a pro-life woman who consent to an abortion is pro-abortion.
    Just because a woman gets an abortion does not mean that she is pro-abortion. It could simply mean that they are not against it or realize that sometimes it is necessary despite thier personal misgivings about it.

    I'm anti-illegal alien, if I talk to one, maybe give one shelter for one night does that suddenly make me pro-undocumented immigrant? No it does not. It simply means that I realize that talking to one or sheltering one is better than shooting one or letting one freeze to death in the middle of a winter night. (yes saying "shooting one" is an extreme...said to just make a point and no other reason)

    Are there people that are pro-abortion? Sure there is. You can find someone that is pro-death squads, pro-terrorist, pro-mass murder, pro-<insert whatever here> in any society. But the lable "pro-choice" can encompass both the people that are truely pro-abortion and those that simply want to allow a person to have a choice of having one or not.
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    Re: Pro-Life vs Anti-Choice

    Depends on who you ask. Both labels are equally accurate, and that's all they are, labels. People get too hung up on labels when discussing abortion.
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